This final episode is less a goodbye and more a mic drop on three years of evolution, experimentation, and radical honesty. Andrea and Janelle close out Permission to Be Human NOT because taught them how to they ran out of things to say—but because the podcast served its purpose, teaching them how to figure out what they want and ask for it. What started as processing relationships in real time became an accidental roadmap for anyone willing to question everything, and a mass

What if the problem isn’t your relationship… it’s that you won’t let it die? In this episode, Andrea & Janelle interview relationship death doulas Yana Rumi and Cari Caldwell, who don’t just “work on” their relationship—they burn it down on purpose. No catastrophe required. Just a willingness to stop pretending, drop the roles, and meet each other again from zero. Truth: most relationships don’t fail because of conflict—they suffocate under unspoken agreements, stale identiti

In this episode, Andrea and Janelle sit down with Nitsan Mesika , a wilderness therapist and psychedelic practitioner who has spent 25 years legally married to her partner… while both consider themselves single. Instead of divorce, they designed something new: a shared home, separate bedrooms, fluid parenting roles, independent romantic lives, and a fierce commitment to the family rather than a formula. Nitsan’s story is a reminder that relationships aren’t static agreements

What if the real secret to a lasting relationship isn’t the structure — monogamy, polyamory, swinging, or anything else — but the willingness to approach with love? In this episode, Andrea and Janelle sit down with John Hoelle and Katie Wise, a Boulder-based couple married for 17 years who have experimented with nearly every relationship format imaginable. From open play and live-in partners to raising teenagers inside a radically honest household, their story is less about l

In this episode, Andrea and Janelle sit down with Adam and Emily, partners in their 50's who are crafting love with intention instead of default settings. After marriages, monogamy, and open relating, they’ve chosen a dynamic they call monogamous with a dominant/submissive current. They speak candidly about unlearning self-sacrifice, dismantling “happy wife, happy life,” and replacing conflict avoidance with courageous truth. What if structure, commitment and focus actually l

Andrea sits down with Ali Katz — entrepreneur, community builder, mother, and self-marriage pioneer — to explore her journey of box-checking success, internal disconnection, discovery of the warring selves within and the need for identity death before birthing a new soul. If you’re waiting for the one, if you’re healing from heartbreak, if you’re seeking belonging without self-abandonment, or if you’re looking to dismantle the traditional relationship script, this is for you