Ep 107: Part 7/12, Ancestral Magic and Modern Devotion with Sorceress Juliana: How to Build a Relationship with God Series

In this episode, Janelle Orion and Andrea Enright sit down with Juliana Luna — self-proclaimed sorceress — to explore what it really means to live in devotion. Luna invites us into her Afro-Brazilian lineage, where spirit and ancestry aren’t abstract ideas — they’re living, breathing forces. Together, they unravel the dance between suffering and peace, the breath as a bridge to Shakti, and the rituals that root us in integrity. Luna reminds us that nature — especially trees — are not resources, but relatives. That helping others means serving, not saving. And that real peace isn’t a mood — it’s a practice. You’ll hear:

-Why she ran away from home at age 8

-Exactly what an ancient and modern sorceress embodies

-Why honoring our ancestors can help guide our life

-How suffering and peace aren’t opposites — they’re teachers trading places

-Why the term “less fortunate” doesn’t work for her

-An explanation of why peace is active, not passive

-How to connect to nature--today

-How to ensure service is sourced from integrity--not ego

-How Luna hears divine wisdom above the sound of cultural noise

Find her online at www.julianaluna.live and @‌julianaluna on Instagram

TRANSCRIPT:

Janelle Orion 0:00

Janelle, struggling to discuss sex and intimacy with your partner, not feeling met, seen or heard in your relationships. I'm Janelle And I'm Andrea. We're two midlife Mavericks sharing our own experiences, messy, AF and no regrets with marriage, divorce, polyamory and pleasure. We've learned that when you're brave enough to figure out what you want and ask for it, with partners, friends, family and most importantly, yourself, you'll feel more alive and free question everything, especially your mother's advice. There's no rom com formula for this. But don't panic. Being alone matters, honey, I can't miss you if you don't leave, what if your breakup could be your breakthrough? Our podcast is for brave hearts. Anyone who seeks or has found the courage to confront their fears and limiting beliefs about breaking societal norms in the spirit of finding their truth.

Janelle Orion 0:54

If you're seeking permission to be brave in your relationships and want to feel less alone along the way we got you. Okay, brave hearts. This is the whole different frequency. This episode Juliana Luna is perhaps unlike any other voices you've heard before. She shifted my perspective on helping the world and embodying my own form of peace, and on considering how much my ancestors have helped me stand up straight.

Janelle Orion 1:31

Yes, she is a friend, a priestess and a sorceress, and she's our first sorceress that we are interviewing, and in her share, she has a way of pointing out concepts and things you know about spirit, about Shakti, as she calls it, that seem invisible, and then she actually brings them into form with a sense of so that there's suddenly there's clarity around them. It's one of the ways, maybe, as a sorceress, right? That's like, sort of the magic is she brings something that's invisible into the visible. And so it's quite a fascinating episode, and I'm excited for you to listen.

Andrea Enright 2:15

Juliana, Luna has been listening to spirits since she was born, and she heard the first message when she was eight, and left home and started walking around, traveling. Her parents had to come and find her. Yeah. She is a Yeah, a very distinct soul that listens to spirit and resists a lot of other things

Janelle Orion 2:40

versus right. It's as if she's the opposite of what so many of us have experienced, which is we've resisted, are listening to spirit and have taken in the outside world, where she has always listened to spirit and instead resists the messages of the outside world. Exactly.

Andrea Enright 2:55

Fascinating. Wow. Just wait. I

Janelle Orion 3:03

Hi, brave hearts, welcome to permission to be human. I'm Janelle, and I'm Andrea, and you are listening to our latest episode of our season five, building a relationship with God and or spirit, universe, the divine, whatever it is that you call it, and I'm so thrilled to be able to have a conversation today with my friend Julianna Luna, who's here, and she's someone who I've crossed paths with this year, and she is deeply Wise and profound, and has so much wisdom to share about the spirit world and the world in general. So I'm really excited for this conversation. And Angie, why don't you tell us a little bit more?

Andrea Enright 3:52

Yeah, so Julianna Luna is a sorceress splitting her time between New York and Brazil. She loves the ocean, kimchi, pole dancing and any culturally authentic food, and most curiously, cleaning is one of the ways that Juliana Luna shows her love for people,

Janelle Orion 4:11

which I got to benefit from when she lived with me for a few months, and she taught me so much about that.

Andrea Enright 4:18

So Luna, can you tell me what a sorceress is. In your terms,

Juliana Luna 4:23

a sorceress is someone that is fully rooted in her ancestral wisdom and has her full team on board with her mission, someone that is dedicated to serving the world. And you know the ancient ways and someone that is in relationship to the depth of their humanity,

Andrea Enright 4:50

okay? And what does a sorceress do?

Juliana Luna 4:55

A sorceress, it's

Andrea Enright 4:58

going to be a sorceress episode. Actually, we fooled you. Just gonna talk about this. No, go ahead. What? What does a sorceress do?

Juliana Luna 5:07

The way a sorceress work walks the world is through her mission, serving right. My experience as a sorceress, my personal experience as a sorceress, has been of someone that is deeply dedicated to the world through Spirit, through my ancestral connection, through the guidance of the ones that are in the spirit world, like you know, guiding me through this journey, and by learning, learning how to relate to humans, to relate to nature, to relate to everything around me, within me, from a place of curiosity. So in my sorceress ways, I walk the world in devotion to all of that fascinating.

Andrea Enright 5:59

Thank you. Thank you for explaining that so articulately,

Janelle Orion 6:01

and the first thing you did was mention the word devotion, which so you're the first sorceress that we're interviewing. And yet the word devotion has come up, I think, so far, in almost every episode that we have interviewed people on this topic. So I'm seeing that as a through line. How else would you describe your spiritual or religious beliefs?

Juliana Luna 6:24

I come from a long lineage of priestesses and sorceresses. My grandmothers were all deeply oriented to this work. I was born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I am from a place where the depth of the African multicultural influence has really, really changed how people live. We are very connected to the spiritual world in, like, just generally as a culture. So it has been really beautiful to sort of like remember that from a cultural perspective, but then claim that as an afro Brazilian in this lifetime, woman, my afro Brazilian roots come from Candomble. Come from a tradition that stems from West Africa, specifically Benin and Nigeria. And I myself have been bestowed a priestess name from that lineage, and in my travels to Nigeria, I received a confirmation of that ancestral current that just keeps weaving through my lineage, Luna,

Janelle Orion 8:01

when you were live and I were living together, which is for a couple of months this past spring, I was really struck by, yeah, how much your the ancestors walked with you. And when I first met you and and damasces as well, I used to think, oh, that must be because there's, it was, you know, African or Afro Brazilian spirituality, and then it was you also taught me that, oh no, that's actually, I have that too, like it's accessible to me as well. So can you speak a little bit about about that, that there's a rootedness in where you come from, but that it's actually that all of us have ancestors that walk with us.

Juliana Luna 8:47

Yeah, absolutely. The main foundation of the tradition that I come from is ancestry. We were very oriented towards ancestry, because we understand that we cannot stand straight, like with our spine straight, without the support of the ones that came before us. So in the in the tradition, in Afro Brazilian tradition, everything is related to that ancestral foundation. When we relate to the world from that place, we relate to the world from a place of steadiness, like we are steady in our approach, is steady in our belief, steady like unwavering in the way in which we walk right the Earth. We are guided step by step, by that foundation. And what we realized is that through this lineage teaching is that every. One. Every single being in the world has the same ability to relate to their ancestry. It depends on how they want want to relate to it. It depends on what practice they are adopting to relate to it. Japanese people have ancestral practices. Korean people have ancestral practices. Russian people have ancestral practices, right? We have very much cultural all across the world where ancestral practices are at the baseline of their spiritual, yeah, understanding, because through those practices, they are able to relate to the community and their environment from a place of integrity. We don't have that in the Western world, so alive any longer, right? Indigenous practices have been erased. People of color have been completely erased from their contributions in society in this specifically here in North America, I mean, the whole world, because of colonization and imperialism. But North America is very much suffering from that disease. And when I look at people that are, you know, suffering like in that sort of haze of what to do, where to go, don't feel supported, don't feel like they belong. I know that the root of that is their lack of connection to their ancestry.

Janelle Orion 11:41

So, Bravehearts, I'm just gonna let you, like, like, sit with that for a moment. Because when I first was introduced to Luna, I was always like, sitting and reflecting on what she was sharing, because a lot of it was really new for me, this concept I've now, I'm grateful to say that I have a much more embodied practice. But it was, she was my first introduction to some of these concepts. Maybe not my first introduction, because damasce, of course, was already in my life, but some of her phrasing really struck me. And I'm curious, Lina, how did you first start building a relationship? And I want to say God or spirit. I don't know actually what you call it. Maybe you're just calling it the other ancestors. Maybe that's ancestors. Maybe that's the

Juliana Luna 12:23

same thing. My ancestors are part of the lineage in which I walk with. They are divine in that sense, but my devotion is to the power that animates every living thing, which some call Shakti, some call God, some call the universe, some call Higher Consciousness. My devotion is to that loving, unwavering frequency that is all pervading That is God. To me, I will refer as God as Shakti in my language. It's the closest I would say description that I would I could find in text, in written text, my culture is very oral, and we don't have a lot of written, yeah, literature around any of this. So the language is quite secret, like private, so in a way that people will understand, people that are listening to me will understand, I will refer to it here as Shakti.

Andrea Enright 13:49

When did you first know that you had a strong relationship with Shakti?

Juliana Luna 13:57

I knew I had a strong relationship with Shakti. At a very, very young age I was about, I would say, three or four at the time when I realized what was in my consciousness. It was this aliveness and curiosity that would make my whole body move. And I remember being a very alive child, like I danced, I climbed things, I played outside. I was up in trees. And when I was about my mom always says that my grandma also, they always say that this, they always go, you were very special. Little being like, you were very weird and interesting. I always ask them, like, what was special about it? Like, what was interesting to you about it? And they were like, you had this non stop curiosity, and everything was like. Like brand new to you. It was almost as if you were savoring everything with every breath that you took. And it was really interesting to hear that from him, from them, because I then remembered this one time I was a maybe like seven or eight, I had this clear HD vision, like there was this, there wasn't any fogginess in the vision. It was just like, as if I was seeing the world, like in bright colors. And it felt in my body like a different sensation. I felt something different. I was like, this is new. Like, this is a like, I was awake and interacting with the world from that place was, like, exciting. I felt excited at all times it was, it was this exhilarating kind of energy. And one day, I picked up my stuff. I packed a bag. I was about eight, eight years old. I packed a bag, I put it on my shoulder, and I went off. And I walked for blocks, blocks. Just walked and walked. And my father came looking for me in his car. He was driving, looking for me all around the neighborhood, and finally he saw me, and he's like, What is wrong with you? What? Like, where are you going? Why do you pack Why did you pack a bag? I said, Well, I'm leaving. I'm supposed to be traveling. I'm supposed to be in the world. And he was like, Are you crazy? Like, you're eight years old, you can't go anywhere. I was like, I'm going, I'm gonna be at the airport. I like, I had a whole vision that I had to be walking, yeah. So that was like, how I like, when I first understood that there was something different about me.

Janelle Orion 17:05

So you heard this. Did you hear a voice telling you this?

Juliana Luna 17:08

I just knew, I just knew. I knew I had to pack. I knew I had to go. So I packed and I went, and it was, it was an adventure. My dad was really mad at me, and he gave me a scolding after that, I was grounded for a couple days.

Janelle Orion 17:24

That's like, the most beautiful quote, unquote, runaway story ever, where you're like, No, I'm supposed to be out in the world.

Janelle Orion 17:33

But what I'm also hearing in that is the purity of your listening and doing right, like you didn't question the message or question what came through, which I think is the journey that many people have to go through is oh, they might be listening to their inner they might hear maybe they might hear their inner whispers, but then are in resistance to what it's saying, and what I'm hearing is that you've really Never had resistance to what your inner voice was saying. And so you've been very, yeah, close, I'm gonna say close to it. Like, it says there's a vibrancy what I feel and what you're describing. Yeah,

Andrea Enright 18:11

no resistance. Like, how the hell are you doing that? Like, just, it seems so miraculous not to have any resistance against this. And yet you were eight, and so maybe you didn't have any of these culturally conditioned ideas that told you, No, you shouldn't go do that. How did this work? As you got older,

Juliana Luna 18:29

I feel like the more I listened to it, the more I felt like I belonged. I always had a very hard time belonging, and my hard time belonging was because of this, these sets of rules that were imposed on me that I knew made no sense. It was almost as if I had this rebellious attitude that understood at a very fundamental level what it meant to be in this aliveness, in this curiosity, in this fearlessness, and there was this other piece that was trying to tame all of that. And as I felt that coming through, I felt very resistant to it. I said, No, I know what is correct for me. I know what my experience is, is to be in this curiosity, in this freedom. Why are you trying to tell me how to behave or what to do or not to do? And it felt like I was constantly going against that. So the more I listened to the the knowing, the more I was rooted in that unwavering surrender, if that makes sense. Mm.

Janelle Orion 20:00

Do you consider this relationship with Shakti different than your relationship with yourself?

Juliana Luna 20:09

No, it's one. It is not separate. There is like the devotion aspect is very deeply rooted in me. The devotion isn't to me Luna as this person that I am here in this world with this form and this way and this tone and this hair, the devotion is to the very breath that moves through me and animates me and animates the world. So it's almost as if there isn't any, yeah, separation from from that. Okay.

Janelle Orion 20:48

I really love that description of that. The Shakti is the breath that animates you, and so in that way, there is, of course, no separation between you as Luna in this form or any other being, because this, this, this breath is what unifies and unites everything. Yeah.

Janelle Orion 21:17

So with that understanding, how does this relationship help you find peace amidst the suffering that exists in the world?

Juliana Luna 21:28

I really appreciate this question, because the suffering and the peace they are how do you say two sides of of a coin that is joint right, a coin that is offered to us in this society so Often we have such hard time accepting the difficulties, we also create the difficulties, because that's all we know. And the peace aspect to me, it is the deep acceptance that because of that belief of I don't belong here, or I am not supported by my ancestry. I am not rooted in the foundation that allows me to relate to myself and to my community and to everything around me from a place of integrity, I must create suffering. I must create challenge. I must hurt other people, right? There are very deep, ingrained programs that are keeping people in this diseased paradigm. And the piece is to be in relationship to that, as a participant as well, right? I am participating in this culture, in this norm that we're all building. How am I taking responsibility for the pieces that are mine? What are the things that I can do with the service and the devotion that has been given to me as the unique individual I am to serve in the world so that peace is felt through how I move. You know, in relationship to everything that I encounter, it isn't peace isn't a static experience. For me, peace is a very active experience. I am in peace when I serve and I'm in devotion of the depth of rootedness that is in my ancestry, that is in my understanding of presence. And in that way, the suffering is isn't something I'm indifferent to. The suffering is something I'm in deep relationship to at all times.

Janelle Orion 24:26

What I heard was that, since suffering and peace are very much related, that when you are grounded in the foundation of your ancestors, of your beliefs, of your devotion, then that was what brings you peace and allows you to then be in service to the suffering that's happening in the world, to help bring peace to that suffering. Yeah.

Juliana Luna 25:00

I am embodying that peace. I am not bringing that peace because I am. I need to save anyone from anything. I am serving through the devotion and the presence that I am rooted in, and in that way, I am becoming that peace, and in that way, I'm also experiencing peace as peace as suffering comes. I am moving, yeah, into the paradigm that doesn't deny anything, but takes responsibility for what is being created as part of what's being created.

Andrea Enright 25:45

Yeah, I think I understand, but it is. I'm trying to, like, put words to it and sort of reflect it back that. So I just hear a little bit of a a paradox there in that you said Peace was active rather than static, and I think that's beautiful. And then at the same time, though, you are embodying peace, just by being, not by doing. Is that right?

Juliana Luna 26:11

Yeah, it is. It is a paradox.

Andrea Enright 26:17

Yeah, that's okay. It can be, yeah, making sure I was getting it right.

Janelle Orion 26:24

The reflection is, it sounds like you have found a way to walk through the world in peace, regardless of the amount of suffering.

Juliana Luna 26:34

It's an interesting perspective that you're offering. I think there is a lot of regard. There isn't a regard, a less regard in that approach. The regard is so absolutely present that it invites me to find the places in me where that conflict and that challenge lives and where I can resolve or somehow hold space for that within my own experience. It doesn't even have to be resolved, but to feel it is the very invitation for that active embodiment of peace, right? If I don't feel it, then I can't I can't be there. I can't get to the place where that actually touches me and invites me to to serve, to serve from a place of integrity, right? And when I say from a place of integrity, I want, I kind of want to offer also some perspective on this integrity to me in this in this context is I am not here to save anyone. There isn't any ounce of me that wants to relate to the world as a savior, right? Like I'm here to make the world better. I'm here to brighten the world. It's there isn't anything in me that it desires that I am here to be in the world as the world is accepted as it is, because I am part of it. Everything that is created in the world is I am somehow adding to that, and I have a responsibility in that, and therefore I am invited to fully contribute, intentionally with a lot of regard, with massive regard, because if I don't have that, if I am regardless, I end up missing the invitation, and unintentionally, perhaps creating more suffering.

Janelle Orion 29:01

Does your relationship with Shakti give you capacity to directly support the less fortunate? And if so, how?

Juliana Luna 29:11

Yes, I would like to call them in my own language, the people that are in places of higher struggle and instability, I won't call them less fortunate, because what I am In deep relationship to is the understanding that imperialistic laws have made it so people become less fortunate, because it is through the rules and the laws of imperialistic and colonial powers that people are in places of struggle so. Yeah, there isn't like, how do you say this? It would be naive of me to say, Oh, I'm here helping out the people that need help, because I want to relate to them and feel better about myself. Because that is, again, an imprint of what that imperialistic and colonial indoctrination has done to us. Is like, you need to be a better person, right? And the better person in lots of quotes, by helping the ones that don't have access or helping the ones that are in less fortunate situation than you. It is, to me, one of the biggest lies that have been sold to us and in the spiritual world, we tend to buy into this from a very like non questioning place. We're not questioning. Why are these humans in this situation? Right? What is the root of what these humans have endured to make them, quote, unquote, less fortunate. Right people in places of higher struggle. And where am I in that scale? I'm in the scale in the place of less struggle, right people? I can relate to people that are in places of higher struggle, and say, I have the privilege to have less struggle because I have more access to resource. And the way in which I serve those people is by serving them without any need for retribution or reciprocation from them. Because what I can offer, I'm offering from a place of I'm in a privileged position. So I can give. Here is what I can give. I will give you this. I have people that come and work with me, and I don't charge them for a session. I help people in Brazil that are my elders, that when they are in need of money and financial resources, I send it to them when I'm when I'm available. And I can't do that. There are ways in which I relate to people in in higher places of struggle that are very much like, how do you say, a way of giving back. But it is quite complicated, because of how everything has been set up for, for these relationships to give us some sort of sense of, again, that same idea of, I'm here to better the world. I'm here to be a savior of the world. I'm here to be the good person I'm really challenged by by those

Janelle Orion 33:16

concepts. Vina, thank you for rephrasing and for, yeah, giving a deep explanation of how you see and understand it. I feel like this is one of your superpowers, is to be able to explain the well, I want to say invisible, but it's probably it's not at all invisible to you, right, of the impact of colonialism and imperialism, that as a white woman in America I cannot see, and that you have this way of being like, oh, but here it's like, it's very it's very real. That's very real. And then you, you, you phrase it in shape, in such a way that it's like, Oh, of course, I can see it now. And so I really appreciate what you just shared. Thank

Andrea Enright 34:01

you. Yeah, and it's also beautiful to me. Just it's, it's sort of like you brought it from out from the earth and wiped all the dirt off, and not like, Oh yeah, it's right there. I just want to clarify. I think I heard you say, if you're coming from the right place with integrity, that helping the less fortunate, whoever that may be, from a place of privilege, is how you get back to the world, but it's from a place of presence and not a place of I have to be a better person, so I better go do this. Did I get that right?

Janelle Orion 34:44

Yeah. Somewhat, what I heard in there was that she doesn't phrase use, like, less fortunate, because the less that concept, in and of itself, is through a lens of this, like, the structure of the impact of colonialism and imperialism, yeah.

Andrea Enright 34:59

So what phrase? Would you use, I guess, yeah, I'd love to know

Juliana Luna 35:03

the higher struggle. People on in higher levels of struggle and people in lesser, lesser levels of struggle. Yeah, we are all struggling. Yeah. We are all in this mess together. It's a collective struggle, but there are people that are very much at the bottom of that ladder. And the bottom of that ladder is very, unfortunately, very brutal. And a lot of us in the spirit world, in the spirit spiritual bubble, sometimes have this, these notions that to be a righteous person is, you know, to help the ones that don't have access to things that we do. And I would challenge that notion and say, well, that doesn't really make me a better person, because I am responsible for all of these structures of power that are upheld in this way in the world, that just calls me to the responsibility of how I can serve and what I can give from a place of true, solid integrity, and in that way relate to people in higher levels of struggle in ways that don't dehumanize them and don't put them in a place where they're lesser than me, because they were born in A political climate that does not give them any access to their basic needs.

Andrea Enright 36:46

Yeah, I'm just, I'm thank you for the distinction. I keep getting more curious, like, as you talk, I'm just like, Oh no, I have another question. Is this just semantics? And how is it not just semantics? I guess is my question. Higher struggle, less struggle. More fortunate, less fortunate. Yeah, just, I feel like the word fortunate, you know, could be interpreted so many different ways. And so can you speak to that a little bit that, I mean, I think I understand what you're saying, but I'm wondering if it's just a matter of interpretation from different people.

Juliana Luna 37:20

Yeah, yeah. So the the concept of being fortunate implies that there is this, like magic wand that makes you better than or lesser than, or, you know, puts you at a at a place where you aren't receiving what you deserve as the baseline for your humanity to express itself at its at its most fundamental level. So what is this magic wand? This magic wand has been unfortunately expressed co opted, and it reveals itself as these structures of power that we're all in relationship to that keeps us in this level of struggle that we're all in. So I wouldn't say I am less fortunate because I was born in Brazil, right? Brazil is a country that is so rich. We have so much resource, and because of the structures of colonialism, all of those those resources are being either exported out of the country or the people that are in the country itself, a very, very thin layer of that population benefits from those resources, and the rest of the people are just like making it through. So that's what I mean. I mean by being in this paradigm that we're all in in North America, where privilege is very much the the foundation of the discussion. It is, it is for us to uphold the integrity in which we relate to those concepts. As, is this really fortune? Is this really a lucky thing, or is this by design? I think that's my question.

Janelle Orion 39:30

So I'm curious, Luna, for someone listening, how would you suggest that they find their relationship or their belief, you know, if they're, if they're kind of struggling on their spiritual path.

Juliana Luna 39:48

To me, the relationship with Shakti starts in the breath, in the place where everything originates. It is. Are so precious that we get to be in in breath together as this human family that we are with all the struggles that we're going through. And the fundamental piece of this spiritual point is our relationship to breath, our relationship to breath, that is nature. What are the beings that sustain our breath? Trees. They sustain our breath. They are the very reason why we have enough oxygen in this planet, and they are somehow the less regarded ones, because they are being taken down in the Amazon. In my own country, we have acres and acres being taken down by private developers to make cattle farms. And so it is really, really profound to me when I come back to the breath, because I say, okay, the breath is my place of origin, and I must honor the beings that are allowing for me to to return to that place of origin every day. In my tradition, in the Yoruba Afro Brazilian tradition, in Candomble, we revere trees as sacred. They are our ancestors. We call them Iroko. Iroko is like the spirit of a tree. It's It's the place where all the offerings are given. So we come to the trees to give offerings because we understand that they teach us about life. They are a metaphor for life to us, not only because we breathe the oxygen that they are constantly creating, filtering, exuding, but also because of how rooted they are, because of the ancestral peace, and because of the deeper the root, the tallest the trunk and the branches, and how the branches organize themselves, right? It's like we look at it and we and we see the lungs. We see the alveola, we see the places in the lung that are returning to that memory of breath. And so it is an intrinsic relationship. I would say, if you're struggling with your spirituality. Go sit by a tree and breathe and remember why you're here. And there are so many ways to do that, to connect with that.

Janelle Orion 42:53

Something that we used to do on this podcast Luna is give Brave Heart homework, and I feel that you just gave some right there, which is every Braveheart. This is an invitation for you to go to find a tree that's near you. I'm going to suggest one that you can possibly see every day, if it's even in your yard or on your street or depending on you know where it is, finding a, you know, a park nearby, and developing a relationship with that tree, and going sitting by it every day, or singing to it, or bringing it flowers and offerings, as Luna suggested. And, you know, maybe give yourself the container of, you know, do it every day for a week, and then see what happens. And then maybe, if you want to go again, like, do it every day for a month. But yeah, I think that it was almost like poetry, what Luna just described to me of the relationship of our humanity to the trees, to the tree beings.

Juliana Luna 43:55

Yeah, our ancestors, they are very, very precious. We must protect them at all costs.

Janelle Orion 44:03

Beautiful.

Janelle Orion 44:05

So Luna, what are some of your rituals and practices in your life that you do your relationship with Shakti?

Juliana Luna 44:13

Breath work. I do breath work. I do meditation. When I'm in Brazil. I go through my annual rituals with my elders, where, you know I'm I'm doing baths that are made of specific trees, specific herbs and bushes that, yeah, like, balance my own energetic field, cleanse my energetic field. Prepare me for what's next for me. We have very, very big relationship to the natural world. We believe that our healing comes from the natural world. So offerings, baths. Dancing and chanting in nature. It's very, very common in our practices. So I try to do that wherever I am. I have an altar that I come to every day, and I pray to my ancestors. I pray to my guides, my spirit guides. I also in my work, this is what I do, right like I support people in connecting to their their guidance, their spirit guides, their ancestors, their beings that are ready to support and come forth and allow for people to express their gifts in the world from that place of integrity. Again, I'm very big on on mentioning integrity, because we do see a lot of people in the spiritual community that are doing really, really big things, but the integrity piece might not be so present. And so for me, the important thing is that in my practice, I'm keeping the integrity of of my own, yeah, of my own gifts. And how do I do that? I do that by being in connection to my ancestors. They're the ones that check me every time I'm like, veering off. They're like, Hey, where are you going? Don't go there. This is not where you're meant to go. Focus. Come back. You're You're deviating from, from the path. And if I am stubborn and I say, I don't want to listen to you guys right now. And I go into and do whatever that idea of mine, that brilliant idea of mine had for me, it's brutal I get I get in trouble by my own doings, by my own my own decisions. And they're and they're always there for me, saying, Okay, let her be. She's gonna come back. She's gonna come back to us, and we're gonna have to put her back together and the little pieces, we're gonna bring it together and send her on her way again, and hopefully she will listen this time.

Janelle Orion 47:20

Wow, so Bravehearts, Luna just described a little bit about you know, how she works with people, and I can highly, highly, highly recommend her and her gifts and her offerings. And so Luna, in closing, how can bravehearts find out more about you?

Juliana Luna 47:39

Okay, so people can come to find out about me at Juliana, Luna dot live and how you spell that, J U L, I n, a a n, a, J U L, I a n, a l, u n, a luna dot, life, l, i, v, e, perfect.

Janelle Orion 48:07

Yeah, Luna, thank you so much as always for sharing your wisdom. For Yeah, I always leave conversations with you within a new layer of understanding about something that I didn't know before, and that's such a gift. Yeah.

Andrea Enright 48:24

Thank you so much. It's really been so educational and poignant, and I feel like my whole body, my whole frequency, is a little bit different after after listening to you. So thank you. I appreciate your perspective.

Janelle Orion 48:42

Then Bravehearts, check out her website, and we will see you next week. Thanks for listening. All right. Thank you. Thanks, bravehearts.

Janelle Orion 48:56

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