Ep 87: Erotic Wellness Practitioner Janelle Tells All

In this episode, Andrea interviews Janelle about her path to be an Erotic Wellness Practitioner and explore how she works with couples to reawaken their sex life. They cover intimacy education, somatic therapies, emotional release, cultural stigmas, holistic health and how much we have to unlearn in order to enjoy our pleasure. Seriously! She’s a Braveheart out to change our culture! If you want to empower yourself and your partner, as well as understand your own erotic energy, start here! There’s a nod to the Center for Intimacy Justice and ISTA.

You’ll hear:

-Why a relaxed state is the gateway to pleasure

-Why establishing trust with women is Janelle’s first priority

-How “flow” and “eros” actually play together

-Where porn fails as an educational platform

-How social media censors our everyday sex ed (yes! Its happening right now!)

-Why “your pleasure is my pleasure’ is a way to hide

Learn more about Janelle at feelwildlyalive.com

TRANSCRIPT:

Andrea Enright 00:01

Struggling to discuss sex and intimacy with your partner, not feeling met, seen or heard in your relationships. I'm Janelle And I'm Andrea. We're two midlife Mavericks sharing our own experiences, messy AF and no regrets with marriage, divorce, polyamory and pleasure. We've learned that when you're brave enough to figure out what you want and ask for it, with partners, friends, family and most importantly, yourself, you'll feel more alive and free question everything, especially your mother's advice. There's no rom com formula for this. But don't panic. Being alone matters, honey, I can't miss you if you don't leave, what if your breakup could be your breakthrough? Our podcast is for brave hearts. Anyone who seeks or has found the courage to confront their fears and limiting beliefs about breaking societal norms in the spirit of finding their truth. If you're seeking permission to be brave in your relationships and want to feel left alone along the way we got you. Hi, brave hearts, welcome to permission to be human. I'm Andrea and I'm Janelle, and we have something special prepared today. Our brave hearts have been asking what it is that we do and why, what led us to this podcast, and how does it relate to what we do every day? And so I shared what I do for coaching, and now Janelle is going to talk about what she does. This will be a nice little interval before we kick off season four with a new question, and our season four is starting next week. Yeah, very soon. So I have Janelle as my guest today. She's usually the host. Today, she will be the guest and Okay, let's get to the juicy bits. Janelle, you describe yourself as an erotic wellness practitioner and advocate, can you please start by sharing what is erotic wellness?

Janelle Orion 02:10

I'm so glad you asked. Wellness is a huge $1.8 trillion industry in the US, but we have an emphasis on our physical and our mental wellness. How many of us go to the gym or plan our workouts for our mental wellness? Maybe we see a therapist or take our mental health days. And sexual wellness is a subset of wellness, but it actually focuses on our physical health, such as safe sex practices, contraception and the treatment of sexual health issues. Erotic wellness takes a broader view, and it incorporates the mental, emotional and spiritual aspects of sexuality, focusing on personal, empowerment, pleasure, intimacy, connection, as well as healing from trauma and emotional wounds. And in that way, erotic wellness is this like by this being this broader view, it balances out. It kind of fills in. Here's the here's our physical wellness, here's our mental wellness, and now here's our erotic and when we attend to all three of those areas, we become more fully human and more alive. Hmm,

Andrea Enright 03:29

sounds like spiritual self care. In a sense, it's like one of the ways.

Janelle Orion 03:36

I mean, it's one of the ways, I mean, as humans like, like our erotic energy, right? Our Eros is our life force energy. And there's many ways you can activate your life force energy. One of the ways is sexual, but it's anything. It's like our life force energy is our creative energy. It's what makes us feel alive. So if any of you have ever, if any brave hearts have been in a flow state of creation or like intense focus or presence, that's because your erotic energy has been activated. And sexuality being one way to activate. It is the path that I guide people through again so they can just feel more alive. Yeah,

Andrea Enright 04:19

it's great to see you in your radiance. I can see you. I can see Janelle in her radiance right now. And what arose for me, as you were saying that, was that in kind of this beautiful, messy way, I can see how my life force has been, both creativity and sexual pleasure and the melding and weaving together of both of those, and when they're in alignment, I feel it. I really feel it. But then they're not always in alignment. What

Janelle Orion 04:50

I want to see, right? And I'm working with a community of people who also believe the same thing is we just want to make erotic wellness mainstream. Could normalize the need for skills and education in the areas of pleasure and intimacy and recognizing that it's a vital part of our holistic health, and we can empower each of us to reclaim our erotic energy as a source of healing and personal growth. Okay,

Andrea Enright 05:19

quick question as an aside, is erotic wellness something that that someone should start when they're 15 at puberty? That's

Janelle Orion 05:27

a great question. And what I believe right is that in our culture, we use sex to sell literally everything, and yet we also have a deep culture of shame and fear and guilt around sex and pleasure. And my desire is to allow everyone to realize that their sexual health, their erotic health, is totally normal and necessary to feel whole and human. And so the the early, you know, like the younger they can be aware of that, the better, you know. But obviously everything is taught on what's age appropriate. But again, there's feeling life force, energy is a feeling that, like moves through us, that happens to 10 year olds and 15 year olds, right? I mean, it's like running around feeling free, right? And so we're just the erotic piece of that changes as we get older, into like, know what? How it can be activated, but normalizing that feeling for everybody is a desire that I have

Andrea Enright 06:38

that's really important. And a friend of mine told me once that her mother told her sex is a powerful instinct.

Janelle Orion 06:47

And I think that's,

Andrea Enright 06:49

I think that's the only thing she told her when she was 13. She's a little bit too little, but I think it really got to the root of it, and I'm just aware of this as you talk about our Puritan ancestral lineage that even me sit like, like saying, No, you can't be alone with your boyfriend in your bedroom, puts a shame on that sex. So it's very tricky to navigate as a as a parent,

Janelle Orion 07:18

right? Versus acknowledging, oh, there's going to be feelings that are coming up inside of you. How do you want to actually navigate those feelings? And there are ways to allow, you know, we talk about emotional release tools on this podcast many times, right, right? It's an instinct, it's an energy, and there's ways to allow it to move through our bodies that are appropriate and also fun,

Andrea Enright 07:45

of course, right? And it sounds like erotic wellness seems so essential. And I think what you've just described is why we haven't heard of it before.

Janelle Orion 07:52

Yes, I would even say it's actually a new term that I'm wanting to, like, bring into the just awareness, right? I mean the word, there's lots of reasons why we haven't heard about it. One is that our sex education is so suppressed, and again, comes really back into like the physical or don't get pregnant, is kind of the sex education, which then ignores the fact that porn is so incredibly prevalent, and our young boys and girls are using that as an that's their education. And porn is not an educational platform, and yet, that is the main resource that kids and adults are using to inform their sexual behaviors. And again, which is why it doesn't like porn does not talk about communication and intimacy and moving slowly and attuning to one another's energies, and being aware of what's inside my body so and knowing what my boundaries and what my desires are, right? This is all these are all skills that none of us have really been taught, and what I teach the clients that I work with, and

Andrea Enright 09:03

is there a way that even now, media is rejecting sex as shameful or wrong? Are we getting, still getting that message? So

Janelle Orion 09:14

yes, something that I just learned relatively recently after following a nonprofit called the Center for intimacy justice is there's so many restrictions and censorship around with very specifically, women, women sex, women's body, women's reproductive organs, words like pleasurable sex, menstrual cups, menopause, UTIs, these are all words that Google, meta and Tiktok all censor, and including Amazon and products have been removed. Counts have been suspended for using words like these in ADS. It's like sex is bad and there is no nuance to understand. Ending No. Sex is part of life. Sex is beautiful. It's incredible. It is it can bring so much joy to one's life if we know how it works for us and how we can use it for our own fulfillment. Beautiful. And it's so rageous

Andrea Enright 10:17

that all those companies are like censoring those words. It's like part of our body. It's part of building, creating life, yes.

Janelle Orion 10:26

And so even for me, right, like, I call myself an erotic wellness practitioner, erotic is also a word that's often censored. And so I have to like spell it differently. As people who follow us on Instagram, we spell sex differently, because if we you, if we spell sex the way that it's spelled. Then oftentimes our posts get censored, right? And so it's like, it's just ridiculous, and for anyone knowing we're just talking about it. And so as a result, at the moment, erotic wellness awareness is really about word of mouth. Got it

Andrea Enright 10:57

okay? So what has been your journey to get here. Tell me everything. Yeah. Unfortunately, we have 90

Janelle Orion 11:10

episodes which says we cover all of this, but in a short summary, right? I am the daughter of a former Catholic nun and Catholic priest. Yes, really, for any new bravehearts who don't know that or remember that surprise even Yeah, and even new I, even though I grew up on religion and Disney and Cinderella and I found my courage to outgrow these societal norms around pleasure and intimacy, and that journey started about 10 years ago. For me, I was a 40 year old feminist who finally found my one I married at the first time at 45 believing that our age and our maturity, we were also in an open relationship, that all of those things would safeguard us from divorce. So growing up, you know, I was raised to believe in marriage and monogamy and that happily ever after and one person forever. And you know, society teaches us, when we find the one right, they're gonna check all those boxes. And only a few months after getting married, my husband stopped desiring to have sex with me, and no movie taught me like, What the heck to do with that. And when it came to hard conversations, I didn't have the communication skills to handle the emotional pain, the hurt, the shame, the anger. You know, I was a puddle of tears, and somehow everything was his fault. And, you know, but yet we were determined. It wasn't like this is what he wanted, either. So we were determined to fix this, right? But when talk therapy didn't help our sex life, we found the courage to seek elsewhere for resources, and we heard about tantra retreats, and I started going to ista and to learning about my pleasure and my intimacy. And it turns out that the unwinding, the unlearning of societal conditioning, is a painful one, right? It demands feeling actually. I mean, that's the thing, that's the really, the fascinating thing about like waking up and like in order to feel our erotic energy, we actually just have to feel. And being willing and courageous enough to feel, or being willing to feel, takes courage, because we have to feel long, suppressed emotions. We have to grieve the loss of imagined reality, letting go of how life is supposed to look, to actually looking at like what it is, and like throwing Disney out the window. And I had to learn to like, release certainty, righteousness and defensiveness. It was quite a ride. I think the strange thing about this I'm hearing is that you had to feel, and I think, What do you mean? Of course, I'm feeling, I'm having sex, right? Like, I think that I'm feeling, I am feeling, but I think you're saying we're also very much in our head. Yes, we're, as a culture, we're very focused on our head. And we are not taught to actually go into our bodies, which was a big part of the tantra education that I was getting was, Oh, my body holds a lot of the wisdom, like, what is my body telling me? And then here's another crazy thing, is that I realized I was holding shame and guilt around feeling good. I had spent my entire life prioritizing other people's pleasure above my own. So it's kind of this wild thing of like, oh, okay, I'm just looking for pleasure. Oh, now I'm having pleasure. Oh, that's uncomfortable, because is it okay that I'm in pleasure? Do I deserve to be in pleasure? Like, there's so many. Layers that we have to, like, navigate and break through to understand and kind of come to the truth of ourselves when it comes to our erotic nature. And I

Andrea Enright 15:09

just want to point out that what arose for me, as you said, that, was like, Oh yeah, women are trained to serve and like we're giving. But you know what? It's not, it's not a woman thing. Is it? Because men are also saying, no, no, I just want to make you happy. No, I just want to give you an orgasm. I just want to make you calm. Your pleasure. My pleasure giving Yeah, totally. Oh, my God. How many times I heard that your pleasure is my pleasure?

Janelle Orion 15:31

Yes, yeah, absolutely, it's no. I mean, I remember working with a client, and he was in his mid 60s, and he didn't he thought it was selfish to have desires of his own, and he was raised to be not selfish. So yes, absolutely, it is across the genders that everyone is having to work to navigate understanding what their own desires are and then speaking them. But also in my relationship and on my journey, it hurt to realize that I had been blaming someone else for how I was feeling right, someone who I deeply loved. And part of the journey was learning to understand that I am responsible for my own emotions, and that in terms of my partner, I realized that I was he was honoring his own boundaries. Right which I give him such credit and respect him deeply for that. And what I realized along the way was that, oh, I'm honoring his boundaries, but crossing my own. So once I realized that, then that was another like, revelation of like, oh, this relationship as it is isn't working for me. How are you crossing your own boundaries? That I finally realized, and I didn't know this, it wasn't like I knew this, like consciously when we first were trying to figure out our sex lives, but that in the end, I was like, Oh, I actually want to be having sex with my primary partner. And if my primary partner doesn't want to be having sex with me, then, oh, this relationship. It's not like he it's not like his idea was wrong, like his waving is not wrong, but neither is mine. But that's not here. The reality is what I wanted wasn't in this relationship, so I had to let go of the relationship.

Andrea Enright 17:28

How do you know when to stop trying? You think, oh, well, he'll change his mind. Actually, I just had this

Janelle Orion 17:33

conversation with a friend yesterday. This as soon as you think that you're waiting for someone else to change your mind. That is like a red flag, ding, ding, ding, ding, they're not gonna does that like stop, pause, let's redirect, because the only person you have the power to change is yourself, beautiful. Okay, yeah. So for me, this journey home to myself, right? You know, we ended up I got divorced, in love for my partner, and although the journey was painful, it was still felt less painful than living a life of resentment, blame, bitterness, numbness, dissociation and the dimming of my own light, and the more I listened to them my body, the more I felt like I knew myself. I was coming home to myself, and the more alive that I felt. And emotional release tools and like intimacy, conversation frameworks all taught me how to regulate my nervous system so I could come back to center when I was upset. And those things also helped me stay more connected, right to my partner, to my partners now, and to myself.

Andrea Enright 18:54

Okay, beautiful and brave hearts, you are such a brave heart. Janelle, thank you and Bravehearts, if you missed our last our season three, we actually delve into all of the tools she's talking about in our 12 part series of how to talk to your partner about sex and intimacy. So Sun Janelle, why did you think I know the answer, but like tell me about how you made the decision then to become an erratic wellness practitioner. Why did you start doing this?

Janelle Orion 19:25

I really felt the path chose me right. This career chose me like my job has actually been to surrender to it. I did not actually grow up thinking, Oh, this is the vision, right? When you get your choice of careers that this is on the list, it's not right. And not only that, like, again, being in a culture that shames sex and intimacy, right? I had to be like, is this what I'm doing? But I would, I had to write. Trust was that I felt more alive. I felt better, right, like I had had a marketing company for eight years, and it was during that time that in my personal life, I started studying Tantra and sacred sexuality, and more and more of my friends were in this line of work, and despite my initial like stigma and fear around it for myself, I realized in talking to them that they were truly changing lives beautiful. And one day I went to my closet, and, you know, I looked at my Burning Man wardrobe and my lingerie collection I had worked in lingerie for 15 years, and I just, I just, like, looked at my and I was like, Oh, I remember, like, I am a tantrika. Like, I hadn't done this work yet, but I just knew that this, I had done this before. What's a tantrika? A tantrika is someone who practices Tantra, and so it's another like word you could use for erotic Wellness Advocate. It's just a little bit more of a narrow term. So I call myself an erotic Wellness Advocate now, but in the moment, it was like, Oh, I studied Tantra, and now I'm practicing Tantra, and now I'm sharing that with others. Yeah. So if I was to, like, summarize my last seven years of personal growth into one sentence, it's been learning to listen to my body, know what I want, trust what I want, and then ask for it, and then that is the source of my freedom and joy, and that's what I want for others, too.

Andrea Enright 21:32

Let's just say that one more time, super important, because I Braveheart. So I want you to know that this, all the aha moments she just described, is also something I have gone through, and I'm not an erotic wellness practitioner. This is for every human say that one more time,

Janelle Orion 21:48

yeah, that the summary of my personal growth journey over the past seven years has been learning to listen to my body, to know what I want, to trust what I want, and to ask for it, wow, and that that has been the source of my freedom and joy.

Andrea Enright 22:07

So what do you do with clients? What is, in its essence, an erotic wellness practitioner? Erotic wellness practitioner

Janelle Orion 22:13

is someone who works with clients to liberate their sexuality through education, tantra, somatic therapies and intimacy coaching. So Tantra practices can include breath work, meditation and energy work, somatic therapies include yoga, dance movement, sexual education and intimacy conversations include learning about consent and setting boundaries and naming desires and intimacy. Coaching is a way to it's a place to provide safe and accepting non judgment spaces for people to share their desires. So

Andrea Enright 22:58

what's your exact offer? Yeah, in

Janelle Orion 23:00

my case, like erotic wellness, just like massage. Like there's so many different types of massage modalities that are out there, erotic wellness, every practitioner is going to have their own flavor, their own training, what it is that they're offering. And in my case, I offer Tantra sessions as well as BDSM sessions, and those incorporate online as well as in person, touch based sessions.

Andrea Enright 23:27

Okay, thank you for clarifying that. I think that's, it's a big question, a big like under the surface question, yeah,

Janelle Orion 23:35

and it's what's really important to me, is that the reason why I offer in person sessions is because in our culture, porn, which is so prevalent, is screen based, and people do not have the skills for interacting with another human, how to touch another human with attunement, attention and presence, how to read the signals that are verbal and non verbal. And I believe our culture is starving for connection and intimacy, that people want to feel connected with somebody else, and there are skills to do that, and this is why I offer in person sessions.

Andrea Enright 24:19

So true, beautiful. Okay, so Janelle, who do you work

Janelle Orion 24:23

with? I work with couples as well as individuals. And in terms of couples, I work with couples who are in a loving relationship, but their sex and intimacy is whether unfulfilling or non existent. Oftentimes, my couples are middle aged with kids that are older or out of the house, and they suddenly find that they have the time and energy to think about their sex life, and they love each other, but they are just wanting more, and they find me as a way to it's like I. You know, I was actually saying this to a client the other day. He's a big golfer, and he goes to the range and he practices his swing. And, you know, like feels what the grip is in his hand and hears and like and like learns through an embodied practice to get good at something. This is the same thing for sex and intimacy, like the more we can practice it. And if someone can guide us to say, Okay, what about this? Notice this. What if you touch this way, then we can learn a lot faster and get to pleasure more quickly. Yeah. So in that way, I work with these couples so that they can gain skills on how to keep desire and fun alive in their long term partnership,

Andrea Enright 25:45

and I'm hearing just like anything else in life, it's okay to ask for help, because we weren't schooled on this,

Janelle Orion 25:52

right? Especially, you know, imagine a couple who's been together since college, right? They're now in their 40s or 50s or older, and they've never been with anybody else, but they also didn't know themselves at 20, right? And so they've kind of been utilizing the same level of knowledge, and that's something that I get, actually, especially from men a lot, is who are super successful. I often work with, like longtime entrepreneurs and businessmen. They have been successful By every metric that society has ever given them. They have provided for everyone. Put the needs of their wife, their kids or employees first, and they actually have no idea how to put themselves first. And it's interesting, because in our culture, we have this idea that men just get what it's all about the men, it's the patriarchy. They get whatever they want. And doing this work, I have found that that is absolutely not true, that a lot of men do not know how to ask for what they want. They are actually giving so much of themselves. And how do you work with women? So for women, the cornerstone of my work with them is trust, helping them trust themselves, helping them trust their bodies and helping them trust other women. So I work with women who feel stuck, stifled or unfulfilled in their relationship, with their partner or with themselves. They have Unspoken desires and they want to discover their pleasure pillars. Did I mention that I just love what I do? It is so rewarding to work with people in an area that they are as longing to have someone hold their hand and give them guidance and let them know that they're totally normal, that their desires are normal, that whatever it is they want is okay that they're not alone. There's lots of people who are struggling in this area, and all I'm doing for them is essentially, like holding their hand and like telling them that whatever they want is okay, is okay? Yeah, I

Andrea Enright 27:56

just want to give some real life examples of like, just recently, I met two different people who I sent to Janelle. One couple was having such a mismatch and desire. He wanted to have sex. She didn't want to have sex. Her libido is gone because of menopause. She loves him, and she wants to give him what he needs, but she doesn't want it. And so how do they navigate that? Just really basic. I think this happens to a lot of people, and then in another situation, one partner is very checked out with work, very stressed, lots of just disaster after disaster, a lot of tension in the household, and she's like, Oh, I'm tired of trying. I'd just rather watch Netflix, even though I want to have a good relationship with my partner. So I think both of these couples could really benefit from working with

Janelle Orion 28:44

you. Yeah. I mean, because something that I hear very commonly, especially for women in their 50s and 60s, is I'd actually hear this from men. Oh, my wife doesn't want to have sex anymore, right? And as someone who's been in menopause for six years, I just want to say to women, menopause does not mean that serious sex life has to go away, right? We are not taught, and we don't know that there is this life force underneath us. But again, it takes, it takes unearthing some desires, and oftentimes it's not easy to find that. Maybe with the partner. I'm not I'm not saying like you have to separate. I'm simply saying that, you this might be a journey where one person's learning about their own pleasure and intimacy in an individual session, not necessarily a couple session, and then, you know, separate so that they can find the comfort of finding their voice in a different room than their partner. I had a client to say the other day, he's like, I feel so much more comfortable, you know, speaking to you about my desires, and I'm like, right? You haven't known me for 25 years. I don't know everything about you. And like, I don't like. You don't have to fear my judgment. You don't have to fear like, what I think of you. And instead, I'm going to be encouraging and accepting. And once he felt that within himself, then he was able to go share it with his partner, right? But he needed to cognitive it first, to feel it in his own body, his own acceptance of himself. Janelle, what is your process? So depending on the client, I offer in person sessions, or a combination of the online and online coaching and in person Betty Martin's will of consent. She's like the mantra we've said this 1000 times on this podcast. Her work is foundational to the educational component of which I teach, and then I guide these touch based pleasure and intimacy experiences. So they can help people attune to their own bodies, learn what it is that they want, and then also give them the skills to attune to their partners bodies as well. And these sessions can look, as I said, Be Tantra based or BDSM based. So these can include both Tantra or a BDSM sessions and a BDSM session, ultimately, is a lot about surrender. I would say, for both men and women, we are holding the world on our shoulders, and the idea of just setting that down for two hours, not having to make any decisions and being told what to do is extraordinarily vulnerable, but also deeply recharging and nourishing. That's what those sessions look like.

Andrea Enright 31:34

Yeah, that seems really clear. What are the outcomes? Then? What happens? Well,

Janelle Orion 31:38

for both individuals and couples, they start to find their way towards greater liberation and empowerment around their lives. They also have a sense of reignited passion. If they're in a couple, there's this sense of after a session, oftentimes, of like of floating because they've invested in themselves, they have touched something deep inside themselves that often, that may had not have been touched for really, really long time. So there's a greater sense of wholeness. It's a greater sense of deeper intimacy, not only with themselves and others, but with the world and outcomes that they can it helps people feel less dependent on porn, feel more comfortable with their sexuality, and that ultimately, like for me, the outcome is that they just have greater permission to be themselves.

Andrea Enright 32:42

So if a couple wanted to work with you and the woman was nervous about working with another woman, what if my husband falls for that woman? What if she's trying to you know, I would think their debt fear would be pretty great. How do you help people dispel that fear? Yes,

Janelle Orion 32:58

100% so like the number one priority for me is having the woman feel comfortable. That is the first thing. And so when I work with couples, yeah, and I just

Andrea Enright 33:09

totally believe that and support that, because I have seen your sort of beauty and connecting with sisterhood, right, like the woman is like, make sure that there is trust with the women.

Janelle Orion 33:20

Yes, the trust with the women is like the most critical component. So when working with couples, especially if I do like a like my package offering immersion is three sessions, three on in person sessions, and the first one is me working with a woman, establishing that connection, that sisterhood, so that she can feel my heart, she can feel that, oh, I'm professional. I'm here in service of their relationship. So from that, then we build

Andrea Enright 33:51

Can you give us an example of a client? Yes,

Janelle Orion 33:55

so one of my clients were they've been together since college, they have kids who are now in high school, so they have time and space to look at their sex life and get their sex life. They deeply love one another, and they do a million things together. Actually, they, you know, besides vacation together, they have worked together. They lived together, but and sex for them was always meh, right? It was fine, but like, maybe a two or three out of a scale of 10, and their desire was to have new experiences. They recognized that they had fantasies. They were open to sharing with those fantasies with one another, but they wanted to prioritize their relationship, and they didn't want to risk their relationship. And interestingly, right, they had been listening to our podcast and realized, oh, there, there is guidance here. They don't have to, like, do this on their own, they don't have to watch a YouTube video, or just as I read a book, they can have someone who's walked this path show them how to communicate. Indicate with themselves, first how to be honest with themselves, and then how to be honest with each other. And that journey has been so beautiful because we've uncovered so many things about each of them that they're just like, wow, wow, wow. And, you know, they leave the sessions feeling, feeling deeply connected and with relaxed nervous systems. And when we relax our nervous systems, this is probably something for all brave hearts to know, that in order to experience the most amount of pleasure, that we need to be in a state of relaxation. So how do we get our nervous systems to be relaxed? Is one of the other foundational things that I'm working with with any of my clients on is how to relax their nervous system so they can experience more pleasure. Yeah, and

Andrea Enright 35:48

I'm just thinking about coming into the bedroom at night and your your mind and your body is still throbbing from Kid pickup, school calendar, dinner dishes, schedule tomorrow, like, how can you release all of that first, which seems like a big job in itself.

Janelle Orion 36:07

Mm, hmm, yes, yeah. And so we work on all that. So

Andrea Enright 36:11

I'm going to read a few of the things that that Janelle clients have said after working with her. Janelle, thank you for teaching me, showing me, reminding me to be all of myself. I felt the energy of the goddess when you were touching me, and I felt myself as the goddess too. It was beautiful. Another woman said, your ability to hold me, see me and accept all of me has given me permission to see and love myself. A man said, Wow, I had no idea that all I had to do is move at the pace her body is moving. That almost seems too easy. I love that one another. Woman said, Thank you for showing him how to listen to my pleasure. It feels so good. Yay. And if someone wants to work with you, Janelle, if a Braveheart is seeking this exact thing, where can they reach you? How do they get in touch

Janelle Orion 37:17

for anyone interested in working with me, the first step is just to go to my website, which is feel wildly alive.com. I have a ton of resources on there. It's a pretty extensive website, so you can get a real feel for what it is and what I'm offering. There's a new client form on the contact page, and fill that out, and then I'm happy to do a complimentary video call to answer any questions that you have and tell you more about the process.

Andrea Enright 37:46

Thank you so much. What you're doing is beautiful for the world, and I hope it continues to take roots. So many people need this, and there's a lot of shame and embarrassment about bringing it up or admitting that this is an issue, and then people just accept, oh, I guess this is it. Like, you know, it's not going to get any better than this, but it can get better. Can get so much more beautiful. Yeah, and

Janelle Orion 38:10

brave hearts. I just want to say, like, I really see you. I just like, feel into your body. If anything that I have shared with you, like this is you trusting your body, if something I said resonates deeply within you, the invitation is to listen. It doesn't mean you have to work with me or not. It just means to I'm inviting you to listen to that and be curious about that.

Andrea Enright 38:32

Okay. Thank you, brave hearts for listening. We love you and we'll see you next time in season four, yay.

Janelle Orion 38:41

Thanks. Brave hearts,

Andrea Enright 38:47

hey. Brave hearts, looking for permission. Work with us. Andrea offers permission coaching, and Janelle offers erotic wellness sessions. Follow us on Instagram, meet us in real life, at permission to be human workshops in Denver, subscribe to our newsletter. Do all this and more at our website. Permission to be human. Dot live you.