Ep 125: We Loved It Enough to Let It End: Andrea & Janelle's Conscious Final Episode

This final episode is less a goodbye and more a mic drop on three years of evolution, experimentation, and radical honesty. Andrea and Janelle close out Permission to Be Human NOT because taught them how to they ran out of things to say—but because the podcast served its purpose, teaching them how to figure out what they want and ask for it. What started as processing relationships in real time became an accidental roadmap for anyone willing to question everything, and a massive return on their own life investment. There’s a nod to LVDY, Sophie Howell and We Can Do Hard Things. You’ll hear:

-Why ending “on a high note” can be a radical act

-The arc of the becoming and the gratitude for bravehearts

-Why it was never about their way, but an invitation to find yours

-The vital shift from external validation to internal alignment

-A recap of Seasons' 1-6

-How building a relationship with self is always the first move

-About their next big adventures

TRANSCRIPT:

Janelle Orion 0:00

Janelle, struggling to discuss sex and intimacy with your partner, not feeling met, seen or heard in your relationships. I'm Janelle And I'm Andrea. We're two midlife Mavericks sharing our own experiences, messy, AF and no regrets with marriage, divorce, polyamory and pleasure. We've learned that when you're brave enough to figure out what you want and ask for it, with partners, friends, family and most importantly, yourself, you'll feel more alive and free question everything, especially your mother's advice. There's no rom com formula for this. But don't panic. Being alone matters, honey, I can't miss you if you don't leave, what if your breakup could be your breakthrough? Our podcast is for brave hearts. Anyone who seeks or has found the courage to confront their fears and limiting beliefs about breaking societal norms in the spirit of finding their truth. If you're seeking permission to be brave in your relationships and want to feel less alone along the way, we got you

Janelle Orion 1:07

oh my gosh. Hi, brave hearts. Welcome to permission to be human. Wow. Our last episode. Hi friend. For the last

Andrea Enright 1:22

friend, I'm Andrea, and this is Janelle. And yeah, this is crazy. We've been through so much together, so much podcast, so many pleasures, so many adventures.

Janelle Orion 1:40

Yeah, Braveheart, so here we are. This is our 120/5 episode that we are recording. This project started like three and a half years ago. We've been publishing for three years, and pretty much, yeah, every week. We just finished our sixth season. Uh huh. And we just recognized that the time had come that this creative project, which is, for me, the by far the biggest creative project that I've ever done, had come to a close.

Andrea Enright 2:16

Yeah, I think me too. Leah, nothing particular happened. And we, you know, our last season was still amazing, amazing guests. Learned so much, wow, thriving till the end, right? That is definitely how I like my TV shows to end, right? Not another season and like, oh, yeah, like, last season was kind of like, like, just didn't really go that well. That happens right? And then you're like, left, and you're like, they just haven't done that last season. So we're ending on this high, thriving note.

Janelle Orion 2:44

Yes, I got exiting on top. And this episode is going to be about that. It is going to be what revealed itself from now, from from the viewpoint of episode 125 that we had no idea was happening when we started this at episode one,

Andrea Enright 3:03

yeah, because really, I mean, the inspiration for the podcast was like, Oh, wow, we're processing all this stuff with each other. We don't have a map. We'd love to give other people a map. We'd love to help other people learn from our lessons. But when we first dove in, there wasn't a name for the season. We were just like, Okay, we're gonna talk and externally process our experiences,

Janelle Orion 3:24

yes, and it feels so like the overarching theme that came through, and I think also why we're ending, is that This entire permission to be human, really, was about figuring out what it is that we wanted and how to ask for it.

Andrea Enright 3:46

Okay, let's just take a breath that's big, because I think you're totally right. Like, we, I think we both learned how to Well, I learned how to

Janelle Orion 3:53

do that. Yes, no, I definitely learned how to do that. I mean, like, and because we got to a point where we're like, oh, we know how to do this, then the podcast, for us felt like, oh, it had done its job.

Andrea Enright 4:08

Yes. And I, actually, I feel like I can trace it back to that dinner at postino. Yes. For me, partly too, which

Janelle Orion 4:15

is our which is when we were out celebrating our 100th episode.

Andrea Enright 4:18

Yes, yes. This is the in the summer of 2025 and we've also done all those things that we talked about in our in our season. So we've built a relationship with ourselves. We've built a relationship with spirit. We've talked to our partner about sex and intimacy.

Janelle Orion 4:36

We've designed relationships that work for us, yes,

Andrea Enright 4:39

and knowing that those just because those things are we've done those things doesn't mean we've checked your box like we learned how to do those things, and now we just keep learning how to do them over and over as a practice, yeah,

Janelle Orion 4:52

remembering how to to be, just how to be the fullness of who we are and what. Love. And this is what's so cool about this particular creative project, is that it does get to continue to live on. It is evergreen. It just exists in Spotify and in the magic of the internet documentation. My favorite thing like so excited that it just Yeah, it's gonna be there, I hope for a long time, yes. And so there's bravehearts who I know, who are going to listen to this that we've never have met, and yet, like, there's a future Braveheart that is I already know, and I already love,

Andrea Enright 5:35

yeah, yeah. We love you brave hearts, and we love the brave hearts to come.

Janelle Orion 5:39

So what I'd love to do, Andrea, what do you think about this? Is that we just, like, recap the seasons, even some of them, like we didn't, there was no theme I remember, I remember listening to, we can do hard things, the podcast that was an inspiration for us. And like, just shout out to them as Amy Wambach, Glennon Doyle and Amanda Doyle about, yeah, just being an inspiration, that we can do this too, and we can also do hard things, and also, just like I felt like they were the soundtrack to my life, first two years before I became my own soundtrack, right, right.

Andrea Enright 6:14

Ooh, interesting. I kind of liked that. Before we had our own soundtrack, when we were listening to those women talk, we were like, Oh yes, yes. We totally feel that way. Oh my gosh. We have so much to add. Oh, I have a comment. Oh, I have a comment. I want to talk too, yes.

Janelle Orion 6:30

And then we talked about the episode, yeah, totally Yeah. And then I remember, at some point, I remember listening Amanda or gun, and I don't remember which one it was, who was who was like, did you know that we could have seasons? We could just, like, stop. They were like, we didn't know we could have seasons that we should have seasons. Yeah. So at some point we were like, Oh my gosh, let's just take a pause and, like, recalibrate. And that's how our season one ended. And then we would take time off, and they had taken time off, and we didn't know we could take time off, and so we took a month or so off between seasons, and like that became a cadence that we ended up following as, like the we waited for inspiration to move through for what wanted to come through as the next season.

Andrea Enright 7:13

Yeah, yeah. And I'm really like, I'm really proud of us.

Janelle Orion 7:18

I'm proud of us too. You know,

Andrea Enright 7:21

if I'm saying, Oh, I have a podcast. Or we shouldn't be human, they're like, Oh, really, what's it about? And I say, oh, it's about being brave in relationships. You know, we just, we're about to do our 125th episode, and like most people then, are like, oh, oh, I see, like, it's a real podcast. Like, like, not every podcast is real, but it's a serious podcast, right? We were, and I think even my, my ex husband, was like, at the time, when we got to like, 30, he was like, wow, you're you're still going, like, you still have stuff to say, like, you're still thinking of topics. I'm like, Yeah, we're not running out at all.

Janelle Orion 7:56

It's true. And yeah, we committed a lot of ourselves, a lot of our time, a lot of our creative energy, a lot of our resources, a lot of our life force, to this without, in some ways, ever really knowing why, but we just knew it brought us a lot of joy, and that was the thing that kept us going for a really long time. Because this hasn't been, in case anyone's wondering, like, is a lucrative like, wow, return on investment. And it has been, instead, like, a return on our life force investment.

Andrea Enright 8:28

Oh, I love that, a return on our life force investment. It's really, it was, it was a thing we got to externally, process a lot of our lives and evolve with the podcast. So we get to do that with each other. We get to do it out loud. We got to do it on the air. We got to do it for the benefit of others. And I remember some very vulnerable, teary times. Sometimes, you know when we were chatting, right?

Janelle Orion 8:58

Because let's just talk about maybe who we were three years ago, like some like the highlights as far as so for example, when we first started this I was married, living with my husband, and during the course of the Podcast, I moved into the goddess temple. I got divorced, I started a new career as a tantric and erotic wellness practitioner. I became a pro Dom I so many things happened. So many things happened. Yeah, it was

Andrea Enright 9:38

really, it's really big. I mean, I was I was married, I had a long time, long distance boyfriend who's also very committed to I am no longer with either of those people. I was divorced, in love this year. I have different boyfriends. I also. Changed my career. It says this podcast has really witnessed transformation for us, like and those are just like the obvious concrete parts, but internally, the aha moments,

Janelle Orion 10:12

deep transformation, deep revelation, deep remembering. And I think for a lot of people, 20 the last three years. So this the years that we're talking about here are 2023 to 2026 so three and a half, almost four years, and they've been a lot for a lot of people. And over this is why I feel that the podcast will have a life, even though it's we've completed recording new episodes is that it is a roadmap. In the end, we did create a roadmap for learning to be brave in relationships with ourselves, and then Thus, through that, to be brave in relationship through others, which we didn't know we were starting out to create, but that, looking

Andrea Enright 10:58

back, is what happened. Yes, and I would say, in in this difficult, crazy what is happening, WTF world, building a relationship with yourself is your first step in finding peace, in finding grounding, in like settling in love and starting there as you go out to march, as you go out to make changes, as you go out to reinvent yourself, as you go out to to date, right, to make new friends, to find new activities, to have children, whatever it is you're doing like starting with that is so key.

Janelle Orion 11:37

And so the journey that we went on for ourselves, which the podcast happened to reflect, was when we first started the season one was really about how to question everything, everything that we had been told, which is the definition of a brave heart, is someone who is seeking or has found the courage to confront their fears and limiting beliefs about breaking societal norms In the spirit of finding their truth. And the cornerstone to doing that, to being a brave heart, is first, is to be willing to question everything we've been taught.

Andrea Enright 12:08

Yeah. So, question the idea of marriage, the idea of divorce, the idea of monogamy. Why people don't think it's like, is it okay to be alone? Is it okay to spend time alone? You know, question the rom com formula and then get curious about so many other things, right,

Janelle Orion 12:27

like discovering the off the beaten path in like, in my case, it was Mystery Schools and polyamory and plant medicines and going to ista and learning about tantric practices.

Andrea Enright 12:39

Yep, yep, me too, me too, most of that stuff too. And really just having the courage to say this isn't working for me, let me look at some other options, whatever that is that can be what you eat and who your partner is, or where you go to school or where you go to church, or what you're doing with your parenthood. And I mean, we really did start out also with talking about taboo topics. I think that was in the beginning. We're like, Okay, we're going to talk about the things people aren't talking about, right, right? Which is, which was our the

Janelle Orion 13:09

fact that we were both polyamorous at the time,

Andrea Enright 13:11

yes, pleasure, sex and intimacy.

Janelle Orion 13:15

Like menopause, we've both because I don't think we both turned 50 during the course of

Andrea Enright 13:18

this podcast. We did that's so crazy. Also death, also God, also, just, how can we bring these things up and make them okay to say right more acceptable to discuss openly? Yeah, and one of the things

Janelle Orion 13:34

that we felt really strongly about, and this actually like evolved into season two, which was that we are not here. We've never been here with answers. We were simply here with our own experiences and the insights that we have gained from living this way and really giving other people permission to live life their way, not to follow our way, but simply say like, Hey, guess what? There's another way to do it.

Andrea Enright 14:00

Would you discover? Yeah, exactly. I think we really started out saying like real time Woo and wisdom, because I feel like we were learning wisdom as we went, and we were both maybe dabbling in Woo. Maybe we were more immersed with it, but we're way more immersed now in the Woo.

Janelle Orion 14:21

So Season Two ended up becoming about how to navigate hard things, and we started talking in real life to other bravehearts. We had Braveheart conversations where we would meet once a month, and that was so rewarding.

Andrea Enright 14:37

Yeah, people would ask questions about about sex relationships, sleeping alone, divorce, depression, perimenopause, anxiety, finances, purpose, like, everything came up in those discussions, and it was so it was just like, so awesome, because every single time someone would ask a question, and then, like, everyone be like, oh, yeah, me too, or like, Oh, I totally have. Wondering the same thing, or here's what worked for me, and it became just this circle of love where people were just exchanging ideas and really feeling seen and heard.

Janelle Orion 15:09

Yeah, so those brave heart conversations, then we would recap and turn into a podcast, which was ended up being part of season two, exactly. And then where'd we? Where'd we go? Then, Andrea, season

Andrea Enright 15:21

three and 2025 we decided to focus on one of the most popular Brave Heart conversation topics, how to talk to your partner about sex and intimacy, like, how can you get what you want? How can you bring up this topic and make the conversation happen, yeah.

Janelle Orion 15:41

And the other big piece is what we realized is that people were wanting more depth, and how to talk to your partner about sex and intimacy was not a 45 minute episode. And so we really thought through, how can we go deeper? How can we, yeah, add more depth to these conversations that just really require more attention. And so we came up with this idea of doing 12 episode seasons, where the first two seasons of one and two the first, whatever that was like, 50 episodes. Angie and I were just talking to one another. Season three, we decided to interview others and to bring in experts.

Andrea Enright 16:24

Yeah, really common format for our podcast. And I think it, it actually served us really well, not to start with having guests, right, but to just like, like, we finally, like, kind of like, found our legs with the podcast, just talking to each other, going back and forth. And then I loved the what was interesting was like, we would always start each of these next three seasons by saying, Okay, what was our experience with this? What was mine? Whole episode, what was yours? Whole episode. And then we talked to an expert, and we would talk about the topic, right?

Janelle Orion 16:56

So, because we ended up talking, we would talk to the experts that taught the skills that we learned that were so instrumental in our own experience. Yeah, exactly. So for that one, we interviewed Brianna krybera, and she was, did that be rbdsm conversation, which is an intimacy framework that both of us find so valuable.

Andrea Enright 17:21

We also interviewed Hazel Grace Yates, a therapist out in California, about her repair process, R, E, P, A, I, R. I learned so much in that podcast. My boyfriend and I have listened to it a couple times. That was key. Like, that was like, Okay, how do we come back together?

Janelle Orion 17:36

That was amazing, yeah, so that, so that one is, like, a really juicy 12 episodes for anyone who's like, Oh, I just want to dive deep into that topic. And it was so rewarding for you. And I felt like we had rare I was, like, so proud of how much we had accomplished as we listened to these experts and like, Oh, my God, we've done these things we had and still always more to learn in every episode we were learning as well. Yeah, I think I just want

Andrea Enright 18:03

to pause on that and say, I think once we started bringing in guests, I thought, Okay, well, this will be a different format, and some of them will end up being amazing, and some of them maybe will be just okay, you know, because, like, you don't really know if the content is always going to be applicable, or if we're going to bond and really have this rapport with the guests, but we really did, like, like, everyone was like, Oh, wow, oh, wow. I didn't really amazing, right? Just like, and then having this conversation, and then telling us this, and just, I don't know, there was just such a connection after everyone, I thought I had no idea I would learn so much.

Janelle Orion 18:40

Yes, and the other thing I want to point out, which is, I think different from a lot of other podcasts, is that we, you and I, were really committed to only interviewing people who's we had literally experienced their teachings or them themselves in some way, trusted them for anyone listening. Just you know, when you have a podcast, you get hit up all the time via email and people who are like, Oh, I've got a book out. You should interview this person. Oh, I have this new thing. You should interview me. And Andrea and I never went, like, the trendy, popular route of who to interview. We always so we didn't interview famous people. We just interviewed the people who had the skills that we had been a different from ourselves?

Andrea Enright 19:24

Yeah, I'm so glad you brought that up, too, because it really is huge. We we still get. In fact, I was just gonna talk to you at some point and say, How can we get people to stop emailing us?

Janelle Orion 19:36

We get a lot of emails

Andrea Enright 19:38

about people wanting to be on the podcast, and I, in a sense, I don't blame them, like they're marketing themselves. I totally get that. And I'm really glad that we only brought in people that you know, where we had a direct experience with amazing so season four, how to build a relationship with yourself. I gotta say, like, 10 years ago, I probably would have been like, What do you mean? Do. Like, what do you mean? Of course, I have a relationship with myself. I'm me.

Janelle Orion 20:05

So this was a novel concept,

Andrea Enright 20:07

probably in the beginning of our podcast, I knew what it was, and by the time we got to this point, we thought, okay, we have to talk about this more, because there are now so many ways to get more curious about who you are, how you show up in the world, and how you can really find and leverage the best ways about yourself to be in this world, right, to be with your partner, to be with your loved ones. And so we talked to all these different people.

Janelle Orion 20:35

It's also more than that. It's like if once we found the relationship with ourselves. That's how we then oriented to the outside world, right? Versus first externally, like, orienting to be like, oh, what does this person want from me? Or how do I need to be because this other person wants it? It was like, Oh, no. We're first going inward, figuring out what it is that we want, who is that we are, what works for us, and then orienting to the world that way, and what were the different modalities people experience as books that helped us discover that way of being, the

Andrea Enright 21:12

modalities are a nice like, concrete structure you can hold on to that, I think, helps people build that bridge between like, What do You mean to like, oh, a relationship with myself. I get it. And yes, what you just said is really just an overall big meta lesson that regardless of human design, Enneagram, anything building a relationship with myself was about literally attuning to myself and my body before I make a decision, when I walk into a party, when I enter a new relationship, is such a huge shift of my MO that I still don't do all the time effectively, but I know that when I do that, I my nervous system is going to be in a much better place.

Janelle Orion 22:00

So in that way, we interviewed someone who was a somatic coach, of like, teaching us how to, like, listen to our body. We interviewed Amelia Broughton, who was a human design reader. And like, human design was something that, when I first started on this journey, that really helped me understand how I make decisions, and how different my decision making was compared to others,

Andrea Enright 22:21

we interviewed Sophie with the language of empowerment, and that made a huge difference for me. I started seeing her as a coach, which was amazing, Janelle, you gifted that to me. That was just really produced some very big shifts for me, right?

Janelle Orion 22:35

Like learning in this language of empowerment modality, which I had never heard of until Sophie started teaching it. And this is Sophie Howell of spirit, Crown fame. The language of which we are using to talk to ourselves and speak out into the world is spell casting and that we are creating our reality. And when we change those words, our reality changes. And I also saw her, and it was a really profound shift for me as well.

Andrea Enright 22:58

Yeah, yeah, amazing. So that was 12 episodes. That was season four.

Janelle Orion 23:04

And then we decided, I'm like, what's the what's more taboo, how? What's the topic that could really no one ever talks about, that we could get to? God, what we did, what we talked we learned how to build a relationship with God.

Andrea Enright 23:25

Yeah. And so we talked to people who had been raised in the Mormon Church, people who had been raised in Catholicism, someone who

Janelle Orion 23:35

was a Buddhist, exactly

Andrea Enright 23:37

like all just all across the board, really finding out, okay, how did your life shape your relationship with

Janelle Orion 23:44

spirit or with Yeah? Also a sorceress we interviewed, also Yeah, who like relates to the ancestors, to the ancestors. So it was a really a wide range of people. It was not based on religion. It was based on what. Because the first question we always asked them was like, what do they do they call this thing? What do they call it God? Or do they call it something else?

Andrea Enright 24:06

Yeah, and I remember the one of the biggest themes across all those episodes was that our guests recommended, if you are seeking to build a relationship with spirit, spend time alone. That was what we heard again and again, I learned so much about about different pathways to Spirit in those episodes, really profound.

Janelle Orion 24:29

And also the for me, was like a deeper acknowledgement of like there is no one pathway, there is no one truth we each get to have our own. So someone telling me to do something a certain way is is an immediate red flag, because if there's not just one way, like my path towards God, came through Tantra and came through embodiment, right for my dad, it was through Catholicism. Same for my cousin, and there's not that my way is better than their way. It just said what we were listening for were the people who just found the way that did ring true for them, and that ringing true is what they were expressing in the world.

Andrea Enright 25:14

It was just really another, really a big case of permission, permission to find spirit however works for you, and I think in a somewhat divided society right now, I'm always wanting to deepen that understanding of others and how they're finding God.

Janelle Orion 25:32

And then our last season, which we didn't know was going to be our last season, but our last season ended up being how to design a relationship that works?

Andrea Enright 25:43

Yeah? Like, what was the inspiration for that? Like, I think it was really yours. You really, I think, Janelle, you were determined to do this one, and I was up for it. But where, where did that come from

Janelle Orion 25:53

for you? I just like, when I looked back at what all of our seasons and like about learning to be brave in relationships, I just realized, much like the god piece that, oh, there's so many different pathways towards spirit that there are so many different ways to design a relationship that worked. And in the episodes where, you know, I spoke about my journey, you know, three years ago, I didn't even know the words that I now use to describe the relationships that work for me, you know, which are solo, solo poly and comets and unicorns and all of these things. But I'm so content in the way that I did it, the way that the relationships work for me. Now I know because I'm radiant and joyful and thriving, not because the relationship looks a certain way. And when I looked around me, the people that I saw who were like, radiant and thriving, I was like, none of their relationships. If anyone we interviewed, like, checked all the boxes of, oh, this is the relationships look this way. And that's why they were thriving. It was they were thriving because they decided to change the way that their relationships looked.

Andrea Enright 27:01

Yes. And for me, this was really just the final crawling out of all the cultural conditioning that you know, that we naturally get. There's nothing evil about it, but it did tell me marriage is supposed to look like this, like a relationship is supposed to look like this, like sleeping at night is supposed to look like this. And I just needed to hear those. I loved hearing those like, Oh, this is how we do it. This is how we do it. This is how we do it, yes. And that was like, just again and again. Was living in different cities, sleeping in different beds, common law, marriage like marrying ourselves, marrying ourselves, Dom,

Janelle Orion 27:39

sub dynamics, so many

Andrea Enright 27:41

things that were, I was told and like, Oh, if you do it this way, it's not marriage. If you do it this way, it's not, it's not correct, right? And once, once you get across that, I hope that we gave people permission in those episodes to do, you know, to do relationships their way. As long as kindness and consent is involved.

Janelle Orion 28:01

It's all good, yeah. And what I really believe is true for all of these episodes, all 125 is all really we wanted to do is give people permission not to do it our way, not to do it the way that our guests were saying. But oftentimes the permission just came from knowing there's another way to do it, because we've been living in the echo chamber of however our parents told us, our families, our religions, our schools, and we thought, Oh, this is how it's supposed to look. And just hearing someone talk about, oh, it can look different is what allows the creativity to flow, to say, Oh, it doesn't have to look like that either, but it can just look different. What's true for me, then,

Andrea Enright 28:48

yeah, you can go your own way. And we always, never, advocating for any particular anything, no particular religion, no particular type of sexual orientation, no particular type of marriage or relationship, just giving you permission to find your own way. And the sooner you do that, the sooner you can be free, the sooner you can breathe more, the sooner your nervous system, you know, isn't a good place. It's amazing now as I as I have a couple, a couple coaching clients right now that just getting over that, that courage, I think, as Liz Gilbert said recently, just like, you know, you just have to want that one different thing, 1% more than what you're in right now to make that change. And so it can be small or big. Doesn't matter.

Janelle Orion 29:35

Yeah, that's what, ultimately our hope is, is that we want more love and freedom in the world, and that this podcast was, I was like, one of the ways we're contributing to that.

Andrea Enright 29:46

I felt that every time, like, every time I was like, Okay, we're putting good stuff in the world. This feels good. It feels worthy, even if, just like, regardless of how many people are listening.

Janelle Orion 29:56

So with that we there's a few thank yous that we would. Would like to offer, like number one, just to every single brave heart that has listened and has encouraged and for those specifically who've also invested in this project, in us, especially Maria Doug, Marcelle and Tony, I just thank you. Thank you for believing in us.

Andrea Enright 30:26

Yeah, thank you so much for your support all of our guests. Thank you so much for being having the courage, the vulnerability to come on and talk about what has worked for you, talk about your life and such you know, such a deep way, I want to thank our editors, Kimberly Joy bridges, who was with us from the beginning, and really, like, you know, taught us so much and held our hand along the way. Thank you to Jesse Montana, oh my gosh, like so glad to have worked with you. You were so amazing, so fast, so on. It so responsive. And just, yeah, just did a great job with our podcast. We really appreciate you for

Janelle Orion 31:03

the last flexibility,

Andrea Enright 31:04

last two years. Yeah, and Lucian. What about Lucian?

Janelle Orion 31:09

My gosh, shout out to Lucian, who was really like, the origin. He's the one who we hired as a business coach, and was like, you guys should do a podcast. His idea that got seated, that we ran with,

Andrea Enright 31:23

yeah, and you actually told me, Janelle, you were like, okay, so Memphis and I went to the mountains, and we ended up giving this ride to this guy. His name was wizard. And actually I first I thought you said lizard, and so I was like, Who's this lizard person? And you're no, no. You're like, no, no, wizard.

Janelle Orion 31:38

Wizard. His name, but he just, he is, he is a wizard, yes,

Andrea Enright 31:43

and yeah, he was a trip. Lucian, you were such a trip. Our biggest fans, Aaron Bennett, shout out to you. And then

Janelle Orion 31:54

Anastasia, the novelist, yeah. Also OG best friend 40 years in, yeah.

Andrea Enright 32:02

And also, like, Erin was my OG best friend in Colorado. So, like, there's people that just like, they're still here, right? They're still supporting us. Erin would like, listen every week, right? And she'd be like, Oh, I like this. I like this, you know? And I was like, Oh, my God, you're still listening. Oh, that's so great. Thank you so much. And then our music and our spirit crowns. Yes, thank you to a

Janelle Orion 32:24

lady for our theme song called Running Wild still feels true.

Andrea Enright 32:31

Thanks for being so generous to let us like let us use your music. You know, that was really great, and it also actually kicked off my choir career, which I am very grateful for exactly really did.

Janelle Orion 32:43

And then to Sophie Howell, the one and only spirit crown maker who spirit crowns have been on and off part of the theme of this show for a long time. And the theme of spirit crowns is a radical expression of your highest self. And so highly recommend spirit crown rentals.

Andrea Enright 33:04

Yeah, absolutely. The Spirit crowns were a big deal in the beginning. I love, I loved wearing those. Those were, those were awesome. So what's next? What is next? Janelle was so weird. I'm getting a little bit nervous. We're getting to the end

Janelle Orion 33:18

now, just a few minutes left. Well, one of the thing that has evolved for me during the course of this podcast is this, you know, I've become an erotic wellness practitioner and advocate, and my desire and goal is to make erotic wellness more mainstream so that is more people can feel free and feel wildly alive. So in that vein, I am starting another podcast. So yay, brave hearts, you've got another place to listen, and it's called feel Wally alive. And I will interview other erotic wellness practitioners and those who have seen practitioners and how it has benefited them. I am showing up in the

Andrea Enright 33:56

world in a different way, and to be honest, I'm uncertain of what that way is going to be at right I am like, bathing in the uncertainty and trying to get so comfortable with it. I'm waiting for my next career to reveal itself, and I am totally trust that it will. I know what's coming. I don't know when, I don't know where, I don't know why and letting go a form and how it might emerge into my vision. I do know I will probably be spending time in the next few years writing my own memoir, which I've already started and done a lot for, and potentially ghost writing Janelle book that yes gonna write. She is, I think I'm gonna call it. I'm gonna call myself like a witch writer instead of a ghost writer. It just seems like more better, right?

Janelle Orion 34:47

Like, more fun, more true. Yeah, I'm witching a witch. Yeah, I'm gonna

Andrea Enright 34:51

extract your spirit.

Janelle Orion 34:53

There is no one who knows me better than you who sounds like me. I. It's true. I'm so honored, yes, and who has already, like, lived my life with me. And I realized that one of the key lessons of late for me is with when it comes to anything, is how can I do this thing, and how can I do it with as much fun as possible? And the idea came through of, like, Oh, of course, working with Andrea to write my book would be the most fun way to

Andrea Enright 35:27

do it. I love that friend. That's so great. Yes, we're just gonna keep it's like, I know your stories already, right? We're just gonna, like, keep going back and forth. Oh, and this.

Janelle Orion 35:36

Remember this? Remember this? You were so good at collaborating. I mean, I think brave friends, you've probably sensed that, but Andrew and I have incredibly complimentary skill sets, and we have a lot of fun working together. So like, it's just like, oh, the next iteration of collaboration is taking place.

Andrea Enright 35:52

Yeah, absolutely. It feels good to end things, or it feels good to end this. You know what I mean? It like, I'm okay with it, you know? It just it feels like, okay,

Janelle Orion 36:04

yeah, it's over time. That's fine, because we did an episode right on friendships ending, there's a season for everything, and this permission to be human podcast was a really profound season of my life, and it was the diary and the soundtrack to that season. Yes, and a new season is starting. So something new needs to emerge. And I also love that we are intentionally saying goodbye, intentionally closing this right, saying goodbye to the brave hearts from this like, it's not like, oh, we just like, did an abandonment, like, goes like we ghosted.

Andrea Enright 36:37

We go to people, right? Yes, no, me too. It just feels like such a conscious ending, and I'm excited to create space so that some new creative delight can come through. I don't know what that is yet, but I'm confident

Janelle Orion 36:50

that I'll see it. It'll come right. And my word of the year for this year is creativity. So something else is definitely coming through. Oh, I love that.

Andrea Enright 36:59

I didn't know that. Yeah, it's okay to end things. It's okay to let things go,

Janelle Orion 37:05

Yeah, to let things go to like and be conscious about it. And I feel like all the skills that we've learned towards relationships, like we had a relationship with this podcast and with our brave hearts, and I am proud of how we started it, how the integrity we brought to it, and the consciousness in which we're ending.

Andrea Enright 37:22

Yeah, love you, friend. I love you.

Janelle Orion 37:36

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