Andrea & Janelle discuss their roses (what’s blooming!) thorns (what’s a PITA) and buds (what they’re excited for) in this every-day-magic episode about their lives, with talk of insomnia, aging parents, self-care and housemates.. There’s a nod to Amtrak, Rocky Mountain Folks Fest, Burning Man, RBDSMA conversation, Waldorf, the Boy Scouts, Nuuly, and “Repentance & Repair” by Danya Ruttenberg. You’ll hear:
--Andrea’s struggle and celebration of her teenager
--Why Janelle repurposed her anniversary
--All about clothing rental, the Goddess Temple, modern soul and choir
--How Janelle is building apology skills
--Why Andrea calls Folks Fest the Colorado Cape
--How Janelle’s embracing community leadership
TRANSCRIPT:
Janelle Orion 0:01
Andrea, hi friend, hi friend. And
Andrea Enright 0:03
to the brave hearts listening out there. Welcome to permission to be human. I'm Andrea
Janelle Orion 0:08
and I'm Janelle.
Andrea Enright 0:08
Get ready for some real time relationship. Woo
Janelle Orion 0:11
and wisdom from the front lines with occasional tantrums and tears about
Andrea Enright 0:15
how breaking rules, blurring boundaries and tossing tradition can be catalysts for finding your truth.
Janelle Orion 0:20
Let's debunk the fairy tales we were told as children and create a new map for life. Yes, Disney can go fuck itself if you're seeking permission to choose your own path. Freedom is the new F word. People and want to feel less alone along the way, we got you. Please
Andrea Enright 0:36
note, this is our side of the story. Our partners and metamours have their own individual experiences, and we do not speak for them.
Janelle Orion 0:50
Hi, friend,
Andrea Enright 0:50
hi friend, welcome to permission to be human, everyone. Hi,
Janelle Orion 0:56
bravehearts. We're excited to be back today,
Andrea Enright 1:01
and we thought today, as you can see, we are in our nor. I'm my everyday clothing. I have a baseball cap on. I have this, like, islandy thing on with my gold hoops. This is like, more like my weekend wear. This is what I'm often in. This type of thing. We don't have our spirit crowns on. And what about you, Janelle, I'm
Janelle Orion 1:20
just wearing whatever I wear, yeah, this is what I feel like wearing today,
Andrea Enright 1:25
right? We're just throwing things on, and the upside is going to reflect that, because we have a little more, yeah, like what we're up to, what's going on for us,
Janelle Orion 1:36
and we're doing it in a model which I love, which is I heard of it from Waldorf, which is from you Oh, yeah, which is we're gonna talk about our life in the references of rose bud and thorns. That's right. And I recently just heard that this, I heard this attributed back to the Boy Scouts. Oh, so I don't know if Waldorf got it from the Boy Scouts, like, Who's, who's, you know, IP it is,
Andrea Enright 2:02
but, um, at any rate, you know, not ours acknowledging, acknowledging that absolutely and so in this situation, this is something my my family and I used to do at dinner time when my daughter was little, especially, we would say, Okay, let's go around and say, like, what's your rose? What's the best thing that happened to you today, and what's your Thorn? What's the worst thing that happened to you today? And what is your bud? What are you looking forward to?
Janelle Orion 2:26
Okay, okay, great,
Andrea Enright 2:28
that's it. So, what's your what's your first rose? My
Janelle Orion 2:31
So, but we're not doing this for today. We're doing the context of, like, what are the things that are what I because you just you actually your definition was a little bit different than I thought of it as. Oh,
Andrea Enright 2:45
well, yeah, we're doing it in the context of our whole life right now, like at this stage of our life. What are our roses? What are our thorns, and what are
Janelle Orion 2:51
our So, what are the things? Yeah, so for the roses, which are things that are blooming in my life right now,
Andrea Enright 2:56
the beautiful things, we'll go back, we'll popcorn back and forth a little bit,
Janelle Orion 3:00
is that there's this recognition in me as a community leader, and I'm leaning into what that means, like with friends, clients, family, community, with a newfound intentionality,
Andrea Enright 3:15
huh? Wow. Okay, I'm just taking that in. So what does that mean? It's like, is it more about the leadership, like, stepping into the
Janelle Orion 3:22
role well, and it's funny, because I had a friend say to me, Oh, of course, I've seen you as a community leader. I'm like, Well, I don't, because I've never, like, led people as far as like, I've not had a lot of like, you know, in my jobs, did I have a lot of people that I was managing and things like that? And she was like, yes, that is a manager. A manager is someone who leads people in a process, and a lead, a community leader is someone who leads people in movements.
Andrea Enright 3:50
Okay, that's an interesting definition, right there. Yeah, I would say too. Oh, I'm so excited to use this, because I've been using it a lot lately. I got it for my speaker training, from heroic, by the way, which is an amazing place to get a speaker training, they say, and I believe this is true for you, is that you are going, potentially, in your past, from expertville to teaching people how to do things to visionary town where you're helping people think differently. Yeah, yeah. I
Janelle Orion 4:20
think that's true.
Andrea Enright 4:21
It feels true for you or to me, like, yeah
Janelle Orion 4:24
and, but yeah, I feel myself as a visionary in a way that I have never felt before.
Andrea Enright 4:28
Yeah, yeah, you're leading people metaphorically and literally. Yeah, oh, here's
Janelle Orion 4:34
a really big permission field. Yeah, yeah. Permission field, interesting.
Andrea Enright 4:38
Okay, love it so. And what about you on that note? So I just finished the speaker training. It was like an eight month rigorous, intense training to write my keynote. And I wrote a keynote called Stop worrying about your purpose, and gave yourself permission. The training was a big investment, and I had three in persons out of New Jersey. You. Beautiful, adorable town in New Jersey called Lambertville and New Hope, Pennsylvania, but it is one of the hardest things I've ever done in this training, like I'm a writer, like I know how to write shit, and it was still really challenging. It was also very much about the performative part of being on stage. And I got the message very often during the training, and while I worked with my partner, Mary Smith, who was amazing and so helpful to me and one of my great new friends, I got the message that, oh, I was born to do this. Oh, I'm supposed to be doing this. This is, like, my thing. As long as I kept getting those messages, I kept going right, even though it was really hard. But the message like, Oh, I love to perform and I love to write. Now I'm combining everything into one, like, entity, yeah, I'm gonna share this message with the world. And it's so exciting. It's very it's very empowering and enlivening for me. Yay.
Janelle Orion 5:53
I'm so excited. And now let's
Andrea Enright 5:57
talk about Amtrak.
Janelle Orion 6:00
Remember, remember people that do not have to be profound about who you are, but you're like, spectacular, they're just like, good, yeah. And so Amtrak is actually on both of our lists totally.
Andrea Enright 6:12
It's like, so mundane, but like, come on, how great is Amtrak. I took Amtrak from Denver to Salt Lake City 14 hours. It's long. I get it, but you can walk around, you can look up. It's like, beautiful, like I was, like, watching out the window instead of a screen. There was an easy schedule. It was cheap. I could cancel it like I slept, I ate, granted, the food sucked, but it really, it was so much ease, and we, like, got a beautiful view, because it went through Colorado mountains, right? So I highly recommend that not being a non east coaster, I'm like, oh, Amtrak. My friends are like, Have you never taken Amtrak before?
Janelle Orion 6:51
Well, it's funny, as you know, og east coaster. Yeah, I had not taken it very much. But now that I am traveling on the East Coast, and I'm really going between Philly, New York and Boston almost monthly. I have fallen in love with Amtrak and the fact that you can cancel up to a minute before, oh my god, it's amazing, and get a full refund if you pay the extra $3 to get the full refund. And is it just makes it. Yeah, it's so much ease, I agree. And I actually find the food to be like palatable, and they have potty sandwiches, and, yeah, they have free Wi Fi, and you can move around. So I agree. Amtrak, okay, yeah,
Andrea Enright 7:36
some intensity of life. Let's see. So I just went to Planet bluegrass, Rocky Mountain Folk Festival that I have been going to for 12 years, and it is my favorite thing in the world. It's my favorite thing to do in any time of the year, and we I do it every August, and there's so much love and so much magic and so much cultiness And so much tradition and it's and
Janelle Orion 8:05
so much wholesome fun, because I got to see it for the first time. That's right, Janelle came.
Andrea Enright 8:10
It was the year Janelle came. That's what we'll say forever. It was even rainy, and it totally didn't matter. Always in lions, Colorado, I just, oh, I adore it. I
Janelle Orion 8:20
really, if you live in Colorado, a lot of people, I have discovered, have never heard of Folk Fest. And so it's a small festival, about 500 people an hour outside of Denver. And it's, it's a few 1000, a few 1000, yeah, okay, but it's still really small, very small. It felt so I mean, like there was recycling and like, there was no lines when I wanted, I know there's a whole like process, yeah? Like, it's just it was very easy, easy to park, easy to get in, easy. It's good
Andrea Enright 8:50
for kids, it's beautiful, it's all natural. It's affordable, yeah, it's very cheap. And there's not really big Acts there. And that's the whole point. Janelle is like, Andrea, so do you love all of the music bands that are here? And I'm like, No, I don't even know who they are. It's just background music, because if they were popular people, it would be expensive and it would be too crowded. Yes, that's not the point for me. Yep. So love Folk Fest. I'm also calling it the Colorado Cape because I've been hanging out with all these East Coast people who go to Cape Cod. And I'm like, oh, yeah, Cape Cod. Everyone talks about Cape Cod. I've never even been to Cape Cod. And I'm like, this is the Colorado Cape I'm going to my my Cape Cod in
Janelle Orion 9:32
Colorado. Yeah? Because, yeah, we sat there was a beach there. We sat on the river, sat in the river. It was great. Yeah, okay. So for me, lots happening at the goddess temple. I have a new housemate. Her name is damassa. She's a cosmic sister priestess and goddess. She moved in months ago, but it's been traveling a lot, and so we have now been like in the same house for the last month, and there's been lots of firsts and new, intimate conversations about, you know. Money and sharing and living, there's a very high energy that's here, and it feels very new and different. And then the other exciting news is that the mural and backyard has in like the backyard landscaping has been completed.
Andrea Enright 10:14
It looks amazing. I can't wait to have Braveheart conversations and retreats out there. Yes, so excited. And I've been making beeswax candles for the temple, because you're so crafty. Like, were you planning to have a roommate? Have you been looking for a
Janelle Orion 10:31
roommate, for a housemate? For a housemate? Actually decided that we are temple we're temple mates? Yes and no, I have, as you know, I've been listening with the goddess temple this whole time. And you know, was I gonna do Airbnb? Was I gonna like, have people stay short term, long term? And then it was never, like, doesn't feel right, doesn't feel right. And then suddenly, like, I met this woman, and it was like, Oh, this is what I've been waiting for.
Andrea Enright 10:55
Beautiful listing, the spirit. Yes, I love it. Let's see. I have two little things I've been listening to, what I call modern soul, or what another friend of mine calls meta soul, which is like black Pumas, Teddy swims, Steven Sanchez. And I just adore this music. Like it's like throwback to 60s. It's really deep and soulful and, yeah, this is my new thing. It's the music of the of the of the summer. Yeah, it's music this summer for me. So it's been exciting. I also discovered a book called the creative act, a way of being by Rick Rubin. And this is definitely like a Bible for creatives. And I adore Rick Rubin anyway, because he he's produced a lot of albums, including a bunch of liberty hat chili peppers, who I love, and he's just, yeah, he's he's got a lot of wisdom in there. So that circle a little, a little plug for that.
Janelle Orion 11:50
Something else that I've done is that I have put a resources page on my website that includes all of the books and retreats and workshops that I have read in the past seven years that have deeply impacted me. So if anyone's ever curious about like, how did janelle's brain start thinking talking the way that it is, it does? Yeah, there's so many books on consciousness and just interesting things in spirituality, but they're all there. So if you're curious, go take a look. Yeah?
Andrea Enright 12:18
Awesome. Yeah. And that is so true. You're always referencing books, and it's it'll just be nice to have a place to go.
Janelle Orion 12:23
Oh, and that's on feel wildly alive.com.
Andrea Enright 12:27
Nice. I am also appreciating having an independent soul for a daughter. She is about to start high school in like, two days. So exciting, moving from private school to public school. And, I mean, I'm so excited for her, and is so emotional, and it is just sometimes I'm like, Oh no, no, don't you need me? No, she want me to help you do this. Don't you want me to help you do this? And I'm so lucky that she really loves to take charge of her own life and wants to make her own money, and she has her own account on Amazon. Now I'm like, wait, no, I want to share that account with you. She's like, ordering things with her own money and having them delivered. And I am just, I'm really proud of her. And it's also, like, heartbreaking as I watch her get older, and so going through all the feels there,
Janelle Orion 13:14
I feel like I I haven't seen her as much like I had maybe did, and she seems fine for high school. You are the one. I'm like, Oh my gosh. Andrea's going to high school right now. I
Andrea Enright 13:26
know, I do know that's true. She did, she she did freshman
Janelle Orion 13:30
mom, and that apparently is a category that I didn't know existed. I
Andrea Enright 13:33
just talked to Heather about this, and she was like, oh, oh, just wait. She's like, you need to prepare. I I was like, on my way down from being less anxious, and I'm like, Oh, nope, gotta rise that anxiety up again, because I gotta focus. I gotta, you know, it's like an initiation. So anyway, okay, the heart goes out to the yes High School moms of daughters out there. Oh, and the last thing is, we got postcards and business cards for permission to be
Janelle Orion 13:59
human. Yeah, so exciting. And so if you come to events, you'll give us your address, and then you might get some actual snail
Andrea Enright 14:06
mail in the mail, yes, from me personally, and who's and she's got beautiful handwriting. Thank you. And we have held a couple more Braveheart conversation events, amazing, amazing turnout, juicy conversations, laughter,
Janelle Orion 14:21
like really,
Andrea Enright 14:23
oh my gosh, so potent. Yes,
Janelle Orion 14:25
yeah. So those are continuing. Our next one is coming up.
Andrea Enright 14:29
Yeah and please go to permission to be human live slash events to sign up immediately. We want you at the goddess temple in real life so we can see you. Love you, bravehearts. Okay?
Janelle Orion 14:40
What else so our thorns? Oh, yeah, our thorns, so are the thorns. Are the things that are our challenges of the moment. Yeah, what do you got? I am back on the spiral of seeing myself deny myself self care in terms of food, massages, clothing, self pleasure. And just watching and noticing, like, there was a point a couple of weeks ago where I was like, Oh, I'm just not getting enough calories in my day.
Andrea Enright 15:07
Oh, interesting. Okay, great, great awareness. Yeah, tell me what spiral means, a reminder, like,
Janelle Orion 15:13
oh, like, I'm like, Oh, I've got it. I'm like, prioritizing my self care. I know who I am, I know what I need. And then I'm like, on that, and then I forget. So then I'm kind of like, it's like, what? How you rephrase it like going around the mountain. And so I've gone around the mountain, I'm remembering my self care, but then I forget. And then I come back around I'm like, Oh, I remember again.
Andrea Enright 15:37
Yeah? Because when you come back around the mountain, you have a new perspective and you have greater clarity, yes. And so the sad news is that you may never completely master any of your issues, right, and every time you come back to them, you're going to be a slightly different
Janelle Orion 15:52
person, yeah, yeah, there you go. Okay,
Andrea Enright 15:55
cool, let's see I am. Yes. I'm realizing speaking to my daughter, how I bring my baggage to my interactions with my daughter, which is not really surprising. We all kind of do that, but and then I project them onto her right, and I really see so clearly how I'm doing that and why I'm working on that, like when she responds in some way, and then I'm like, Oh no, no. She has to respond in this way because this is how my mom wanted me to respond. And then I'm projecting that onto her, for example, and I'm like, Oh, this is not this is not hers. This is mine. So little credit to Mary Smith, parent coach, who basically, as I was helping her with her keynote about parenting advice, I was constantly being like, oh my gosh,
Janelle Orion 16:40
oh my gosh.
Andrea Enright 16:43
So, yeah, it's really hard and always working on it. Okay, good
Janelle Orion 16:47
job. Good job, mom. Something that I am doing is navigating my dad getting older. He is living alone and still driving and 93 He's incredible. But my brother and I are wondering, what are the next steps and when we should make them happen? And, yeah, it's just that time of life where we're just in a lot of trust. What do you mean? We're just hoping that, like the next step is going to reveal itself with grace and not because of crisis,
Andrea Enright 17:21
okay, beautifully said, Okay,
Janelle Orion 17:25
there's naivete, but also hope,
Andrea Enright 17:29
okay, okay, I can't fucking sleep. How about that? Well, I was surprising. I'm so tired of talking about this, but I have had periods of not being able to sleep for many years now, and I get solutions, and they work for a while, and then they don't work. And so back to that, and there is hope. I am seeing an Ayurvedic specialist and a pelvic floor specialist, which I hope can address my anxiety as well as my menopausal symptoms. I'm pretty excited about the integration of all those things working together, but it's hard. It's really hard. And basically what it does is, like, you're like, Okay, I don't sleep that much. And then on the by the third night, I'm like, okay, like, Advil, PM, it is, which is not, you know, it's great, but it's fine, but it's not great for my body. So anybody suffering with sleep, I hear ya. I'm with ya, yeah, yeah, yep. Something
Janelle Orion 18:23
else I'm reading is I'm reading a book called repentance and repair by Danya Rutenberg, and I'm learning to improve my skills on how to
Andrea Enright 18:33
apologize better. Oh, beautiful. Sounds really good. Yeah.
Janelle Orion 18:38
It feels like tied to my role as community leader, that I have been recognizing that I am sometimes having to apologize publicly, which is different, like, Okay, if I fuck up with you, then right then I can tell you we know how to do it, yes. And then suddenly I'm like, Oh, I'm apologizing, and I'm watching people are watching me apologize. And so then there's going to be assessments, judgments like all of that interesting, yeah, and so holding the discomfort and embarrassment and all of that in a public setting is something I'm working on as a skill,
Andrea Enright 19:17
hmm. Okay, letting that sink in thorns. They're thorns. I just noticed my own reactivity in a different way. Right now I'm noticing, I'm noticing even that we bring up these thorns. We're like, oh, we have solutions which is nice, like, things just don't suck. We're like, actively seeking solutions, which I love, but I had a recent text Exchange, which is, I thought was really simple and interesting. So I asked a friend of mine over text, who I don't see that much. I was like, Hey, I'm going to Folk Fest. I know you live near there, like, you know, if you come up for a day or something, just want to invite you, I'll be there. She. Not someone I talk to very often. A few days later, she said, Oh, wow, I'm so sick with covid. This isn't gonna, you know, I can't come blah, blah, blah. And I just didn't respond because I was in the middle of set, you know, setting up for the travel. She sends another text a few days later, oh, my God, I've been so sick I can hardly be left in my head. This covid has been terrible. Two days pass, I still haven't responded to her, because I just got back from Folk Fest, and she sends me a text with all these question marks, like, basically saying, like, WTF. And I'm like, like, I'm blanching. Like, what? Why is she doing this to me? Like, whatever you have to, you have to, just like, you have to accommodate the cadence of how people text, right? I have people who text within two minutes, I have people text within two weeks, and there's everyone in between. But I was like, oh, oh no. It stops with me. Like, she's just being super direct where she is, and I appreciate that. And so I was able to just respond and be like, Hey, I'm really busy right now. Like, thanks for your patience. I'm not going to be able to text you back, and that was it. And to me, like that was a massive diffusion. I mean, it wouldn't have turned into a massive thing, because we're not that close, but still, I would have been a conflict between her and I. So, yeah, that felt really good to me. If reflection, I would love reflection, because I just saying this out loud for the first time,
Janelle Orion 21:24
my first Did you say anything about, I'm sorry to hear you're sick? No, I didn't. But I think you know what,
Andrea Enright 21:32
let me just say that I did. What I skipped over was like, hey, no worries. I did respond to like her originally being sick. Okay, okay, a little bit, okay. Um, yes, I did. So it's not like I didn't, but in general, still like the Yeah, I guess I was just like, look, I don't have time to text you back right now. But I wonder, even if I hadn't done that, like she's not in the hospital, like I'm just like, No, I'm just busy. What do you think? No,
Janelle Orion 21:58
right answer. I'm just coming from her perspective, from what you just described, she what she wrote, right? She was like, I'm so sick I can't lift my head off the pill or whatever you just said. So she might not be in the hospital, but she was under the impression that she was really sick, and so was probably looking for a little bit of
Andrea Enright 22:15
empathy. Empathy, yeah, yeah, yeah. Makes sense. Um, yeah. But then going back with like, five question marks. I don't think I would have ever done that. I don't think I would have done that. I think that's the part is like, like, Oh, what have I Oh, okay, sat on back and said five question marks. That's her response. Just interesting. Like,
Janelle Orion 22:35
I think I've done that.
Andrea Enright 22:37
Okay, we're moving on. I don't think we have an answer. No. Okay, so
Janelle Orion 22:41
my last Thorn is that my right forearm is actually super sore, and it's from I'm on my phone a lot more, and I'm trying to do social media and doing different things, and I don't have a proper desk in the house any longer, so I'm trying to figure out what to do about it, and what it's asking of me. Is it asking for me to be working less on my phone, or is it asking me to get a desk, because there's not really a place in the house at the moment for the desk, so I'm thinking about that, but those are my two dilemmas, and either way, living with an aching arm and trying to massage it
Andrea Enright 23:21
every day. Gotcha? Yeah, yeah. I wonder what it's telling you. A desk feels really reasonable, even just a small one like I think you can make room in this massive house for a fucking desk.
Janelle Orion 23:37
And yet, if you think about it, where's that? Where's the spot? I mean, it's not obvious to me where the spot is. So, okay,
Andrea Enright 23:44
okay, so shall we move on to our buds? Our buds? What are your buds?
Janelle Orion 23:49
Well, the first one, by the time you're listening to this, it will be a past, but that I am preparing for Burning Man like today, and I'm taking two people for who are going for the first time, and we're gonna be in an RV and we leave in four days, which I'm super excited about. Wow,
Andrea Enright 24:05
that is exciting. That is Burning Man, every year. How many years? Huh?
Janelle Orion 24:11
This is gonna be my ninth.
Andrea Enright 24:13
Wow, yeah, that's so fascinating. I used to want to go so much, and I want to go less now. Yeah, that'd be my thing, yeah. But I'm just like, but I still always like looking at it like, whoa. Um, let's see. I am appreciating Colorado for what it is, and I am making a grand plan to be in another state for part of the year in the latter half of my life. Oh, that is what I'm looking forward to. Is not living here the entire year. Okay?
Janelle Orion 24:47
And what is it that you are looking forward to? Like, are you looking for colder, warmer, tropical? What is it that you're Yes, I
Andrea Enright 24:55
would like moss. I would like green. I would like some kind of water. It doesn't have to be the ocean, and I have no interest in snow, so, like, I can have a little bit of snow here, but I definitely would prefer three months of some humidity, even that's, do
Janelle Orion 25:13
you think in like, southeast, that's my goal?
Andrea Enright 25:15
I'm really not sure. Like I'm waiting for, I'm calling this in, like, I'm waiting for some Yeah, southeast feels like it's aligned with that, but we'll see, you know, we'll see where my daughter goes to college. We'll see. Yeah, it'll all, I'm confident it will all fall into place, okay, but Colorado is not my place forever, okay,
Janelle Orion 25:36
so that bud is a long term bloom. Bravehearts, we don't know when it's gonna bloom totally okay, yeah. So another bread that I had was Memphis, and I had a conversation, and we had ex husband, my ex husband, and our five year anniversary was in June, and I had the idea of, instead of just pretending that we no longer had an anniversary, that that was a day that, although it was also our wedding day, it was also the day that we became family, and we still view ourselves as chosen family. And I changed my name, and I've kept that name to as Orion, and so we have renamed our anniversary to Orion day, and he and I went out for brunch for our first meal together since the divorce, just the two of us. And in future years, we'll include my spirit son, my stepson, Ziya, in the mix. So beautiful. Excited about that. Mm, hmm, yeah. It's like repurposing, yes, yeah. And it feels really, yeah. It feels beautiful and tender, and also just like, oh, yeah, like that. Something really special happened that day that still exists.
Andrea Enright 26:46
Yeah, Mic drop. That's great, awesome. Oh, let's see. Um, I'm in a new fierce women's group with Leslie Jones. Leslie Jones, I'm just giving you a bunch of props here. Very excited about that group. That's all I'll say about it. Well, and
Janelle Orion 27:04
I just want to say Leslie, you and I have not yet met, but we have so many friends in common. And I was just with Adam moxdollar The other day, a close friend, and he knows Leslie, apparently. So really, so you've
Andrea Enright 27:16
known her for as long as you have. He
Janelle Orion 27:18
No, he's known he has known her a year longer than he's known me, and he's known me for 30
Andrea Enright 27:24
years, right? Yeah, right. And she was at Folk Fest all day, Sunday. Oh, so I got anyway. Hi, Leslie, that was a whole conversation just about you. Let you. I'll do another one. So I am giving. I'm looking forward to giving a talk this week at women in banking conference in Glenwood, springs. Yay. I get to be on stage with all of my tips and tricks and skills and expertise for my speaker training.
Janelle Orion 27:46
That's so great. A new thing that I'm doing is I am
Andrea Enright 27:50
renting clothes. Oh, yeah, renting your clothes to your new batch, yeah, from
Janelle Orion 27:55
a company called newly n, u, u, l, y, and you get six pieces per month for, I think it's $98 and it feels very aligned with how I like to wear clothes. And I had my first shipment last month, and you can, like, cancel anytime so, and actually, I put it on pause this month because I'm going to Burning Man, so I don't need clothes this month. And it feels really fun and exciting.
Andrea Enright 28:16
Oh, wow. Okay, I'm, yeah, I'm like, this is, like, percolating for me, this renting clothes thing, especially because my daughter's like, we can split it to be so great. I'm looking forward to choir, because I take the summer off, and choir's coming back in the fall, and I do love to sing, so that'll start on Tuesday nights. Anyone in the Denver area who wants a choir, it's called, Let this be a choir. And I could talk to you about it for hours.
Janelle Orion 28:41
So great. Okay, so something else for me that I'm loving is guiding clients into a state of surrender through my pro DOM work. Oh, it's so interesting. And I'm loving working with dominant men who just want to break from making decisions for two hours and just to see how recharged they get at the end of that, it's so nourishing, like I'm in I feel such in service to them. And then when I'm working with women in this area, just allowing them to access this state of surrender that was so hard for it took me so long to access it, because there's so many blocks around the terms are under the term submission, but so much freedom has come to me from it, and so to be able to guide women and men for a few hours to that state
Andrea Enright 29:33
is a real treat. Beautiful. Wow. Yeah, that's a great description, too. I'm just kind of picturing that now. I'm looking forward to fall and I have a lot of clients, and what has happened for me now is that on a regular basis, I get to look forward to doing my branding work, which is actually like, it's like a treat for me. It's like the reward for doing a. Hard and fun and juicy creative work, because the creative work on, like, the speech, my keynote, and the podcasts and your book, my book is beautiful. And also, like, oh, like, sometimes it's hard to find the creative flow, or, you know, I need a lot of time, and sometimes I put it off. It's still great work. But the great thing is that after I do that, then I get to look forward to going straight to my branding workshop, which is totally gratifying to me, like, and so to get to a place where the thing I do for money is, like, my reward, that's amazing is, yeah, I was like, that's a great Aha. Like, like, the main thing I do for money is my reward, because I like doing it so much, and I love, I just love some of my new my new clients, like, just love learning what they're doing. And it's, yeah, I really enjoy it. So that's, that's really nice,
Janelle Orion 30:52
beautiful, beautiful.
Andrea Enright 30:53
I'm also looking forward to the Braveheart retreat and Braveheart conversation that is next. Yes, what is the date for that?
Janelle Orion 30:59
We have one session the conversation is September 12. It's possible that this episode will be after that. And then we have the Braveheart retreat is happening october 14, so October 18 through the 20th. So please take a look. Permission to be human. Dot live forward. Slash events to check those out. Nice. Thank
Andrea Enright 31:18
you for remembering those dates. Yeah. And then a couple
Janelle Orion 31:21
of things for me is that I'm really owning my message around being such a huge advocate for the need to normalize education and skills in the area of pleasure and intimacy in order for us to all have more fulfilling relationships regardless of what gender you are, regardless of what orientation, regardless of what your relationship, format, is that I believe education and skills in these areas make a huge impact, and so I am working on doing little Instagram bite sized skills to share with people. Yeah, cool. Okay, can you tell me a little bit more? Is
Andrea Enright 31:58
this more like for a particular audience that you're talking about? Is it Young? Is it our age? No, it's
Janelle Orion 32:03
anyone who's anyone wants to relate to people and feels that they could be better at it. Okay, yeah, so it's sort it's, you know, essentially, it's like emotional release tools, right? Like doing a little video of those and, oh, here's the rbdsm, but doing them in, like, the 32nd sound bites that people can actually retain versus here's a long video or something.
Andrea Enright 32:24
Can you explain what rbdsm means?
Janelle Orion 32:26
It's a safer sex conversation that stands in the acronym is relationships, boundaries, desires, sexual health, meaning aftercare,
Andrea Enright 32:37
nice. Yeah. And that's a conversation you can have with any any partner at any time.
Janelle Orion 32:41
Yes, and we have an episode on that as well. But again, that's like a 45 minute thing, so I'm looking on creating them in the bite sized chunks that our attention can hold. Awesome,
Andrea Enright 32:50
awesome. Okay, so there's our Rose, our roses, our buds and our thorns. I encourage you to do Rosebud Thorn anytime. It's a really nice way to be like, Oh yeah,
Janelle Orion 33:01
like, just to kind of sum up your life, and it can be in your life, or could just be your day, which doesn't know, is how you did at the family table, right at dinner every day, right?
Andrea Enright 33:12
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Janelle Orion 33:25
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Andrea Enright 33:28
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